REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[machin05]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...employed-benefits-sanctioned?CMP=share_btn_tw

This is one of the reasons why it should never have gone to a public vote. Giving power to the one's who have screwed you over....

 

[leedswolf]

Ace. The guy who plays Zak Dingle (Steve Helliwell) is from Bury!

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

The sales rep who just came to our reception and triumphantly shouted 'we're leaving Europe!' when I answered the door is lucky I'm not a violent man.

 

[Jolemai]

The sales rep who just came to our reception and triumphantly shouted 'we're leaving Europe!' when I answered the door is lucky I'm not a violent man.

Are you looking for alternative employment yet?

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

Are you looking for alternative employment yet?

He doesn't work for us, he's the sales rep of a supplier. However, out of about 40 employees there is a very high chance that I am the only one here that voted to remain. Maybe I should rethink my options...does SLA need any new staff at his place?!

 

[So Long Architect]

He doesn't work for us, he's the sales rep of a supplier. However, out of about 40 employees there is a very high chance that I am the only one here that voted to remain. Maybe I should rethink my options...does SLA need any new staff at his place?!

You know what - yes! My staff are really pissing me off today so I would happily bring you in to replace them. You'd need to shave off the beard though - can't have you making the place look untidy.

 

[Langers]

The sales rep who just came to our reception and triumphantly shouted 'we're leaving Europe!' when I answered the door is lucky I'm not a violent man.

Finchy?

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

You'd need to shave off the beard though - can't have you making the place look untidy.

Hmm...what do I value more, my beard or my principles? Maybe I'll stick with the bigots

 

[Papper]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...employed-benefits-sanctioned?CMP=share_btn_tw

This is one of the reasons why it should never have gone to a public vote. Giving power to the one's who have screwed you over....

Oh come on. This is getting ridiculous. So many ' victims ' out there.

So you can now add desperate to uneducated, racist and xenophobic.

(Incidentally how many economic migrants of 'mature' age enter the UK and find work ??)

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

About 16.1 million at the last count...

 

[nimrod]

On another note, leading Leave donor wants considers a new party. I'm gobsmacked that people can so blatantly get away with this kind of shot in politics and still find influence.

Banks has been credited with professionalising Ukip’s referendum push through the Leave.EU campaign. He deployed senior executives and staff from his insurance companies and hired the Washington DC political campaign strategy firm Goddard Gunster on a multimillion-pound fee to sharpen its message.

“It was taking an American-style media approach,” said Banks. “What they said early on was ‘facts don’t work’ and that’s it. The remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It just doesn’t work. You have got to connect with people emotionally. It’s the Trump success.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...lans-new-party-to-replace-ukip-without-farage

Simply put, remain told the truth, we lied but we don't care, expect more of it.

that's an interesting article with, to me, with some obvious truths.

i'd agree that fear based campaigning is here to stay simply because it works. campaigners work to identify the right emotional fear buttons to press and how they can legitimise any negative connotations with it into more legitimate arguments. so where some may have felt uncomfortable to vocalise immigration (his number one identified target fear) as the key issue, he identifies how the campaign was able to play on it via links to pressures on public services etc. it also fits neatly into control issues and with the rallying soundbite "take back control". i don't think Remain made any convincing case to respond to the immigration fears.

it seems to me that fact based campaigns are far more easy to obfuscate especially if they don't deal with the critical fear and can be more complex in nature anyway. people want a reason not to have to consider complexity in areas of less importance to them. so as a tactic make concluding more difficult through blurred argument, then tell people they should be fed up with expert opinions and to go with their gut instead. how Leave dealt with Remain's campaign on the economy seems a classic example of this.

after explaining how campaigns can emotionally manipulate, his comment “We are not above causing trouble,” he continued. “Our job is that the public get what they voted for" is fantastically cynical isn't it?

not sure your last line was right. remain may have based the economic position on facts, but if the concluding analysis based on those facts was exaggerated it made it easier for them to be labelled project fear, when in fact both campaigns followed fear.

 

[Papper]

Carney - FTSE has recovered.

The Apocalypse hasn't happened. Possible interest cut. Build business confidence.

The money men are scared we'll stop spending.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

According to the Express article THM posted a couple of days ago the EU was going making national militaries illegal two days ago. As usual it was a lie.

They probably got the story from THM.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Carney - FTSE has recovered.

The Apocalypse hasn't happened. Possible interest cut. Build business confidence.

The money men are scared we'll stop spending.

Probably because we all expect it to go to shit again the moment someone says yes to article 50.

 

[Papper]

Probably because we all expect it to go to $#@! again the moment someone says yes to article 50.

I've always felt we hold the aces and that our relationship with the rest of Europe will be fine.

Personally, I now feel Project EU is doomed and I suspect the 'money men' know that.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I think you over-estimate our destructive capabilities

 

[Papper]

I think you over-estimate our destructive capabilities

Our economy has been falsified for years and a serious crash was on the cards even in the EU.

My prime motive for Brexit was taking the control away from the Multi-Nationals and putting it back in the hands of the people. Commerce and wealth driven by people without the interference of banks and corporations. Normal, everyday human beings trying to get on with life ... without being labelled and divided by the media and politicians.

I feel those who see the EU as a Socially Progressive movement have been hoodwinked.

 

[visage]

Carney - FTSE has recovered.

The Apocalypse hasn't happened. Possible interest cut. Build business confidence.

The money men are scared we'll stop spending.

Market price in a remain vote. Vote leave -> Market plummets.

Market plummets -> Plenty of folk see a buying oppurtunity -> Market recovers.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Market price in a remain vote. Vote leave -> Market plummets.

Market plummets -> Plenty of folk see a buying oppurtunity -> Market recovers.

Its amazing the faith people put in a load of short-term gamblers who's sole objective is to look after No 1.

 

[Jolemai]

One of the better ones: