REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[lemonjelly]

Still spouting bullshit and not answering questions?

anyway, consequences are becoming apparent:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

The SNP are by a distance the most coherent and organised party in Britain. Far from being loons.

And currently the only party that is being led by a politician worthy of the name.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Still spouting bullshit and not answering questions?

anyway, consequences are becoming apparent:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

I love this:

So if Remain had won we'd have seen....Latvians getting in indigenous people's faces and gloating they were here to stay? Seems likely.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Still spouting bull$#@! and not answering questions?

anyway, consequences are becoming apparent:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

Funny, I thought I had asked the questions. Still being childish and can't take losing?

 

[thehistorymakers]

I love this:

So if Remain had won we'd have seen....Latvians getting in indigenous people's faces and gloating they were here to stay? Seems likely.

Read my post when I thought we'd lost!

 

[visage]

Also, what happened to the notion that it was all rigged, and that 'the establishment' would ensure a remain vote?

 

[nimrod]

Fortunately, but I see Osborne lied too, no emergency budget.

I think for the more sensible people around knew the £350m to the NHS would never happen, but the budget was a very real proposition. So in my opinion, Osborne's lie is worse.

personally i think that depends on how cynical you think any potential mis-truth/misrep is. i can't speak for osborne and democratically would support you in challenging any ott statement he made - (compare that to the reaction i got from some). but osborne may have thought and may still think he'll have to act on a budget issue and has to be reactive to the markets.

i put up the pic of liam fox with the nhs promise instead of boris (which langers put up) for a reason. in jan 2014 liam fox said "I think we've tested to destruction the idea that simply throwing lots more money at the health service will make it better". so regardless of what any of us think about nhs funding as an issue, why is liam fox up on a platform suggesting we can give all the excess to the nhs when he doesn't seem to believe in that as a concept. unless you think he's had some sort of epiphany.

 

[Papper]

A very interesting piece with a local twist, which helps to explain the reasons why people voted leave and in a roundabout way, why this should never have gone to referendum - it has little to nothing to do with the EU

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/liverpool-london-brexit-leave-eu-referendum

It is up to the people of the UK to decide their fate and they did so. The EU has a lot of influence over our lives (It is part of the establishment)

The IN now make a judgement (because they lost) that people are not capable or should not be allowed to decide because they are uneducated, racist and xenophobic. It is divisive. The aftermath is every bit as filthy as the campaign.

 

[nimrod]

The British government has done nothing to stop deprivation in the last 40 or so years. Nothing. At. All.

What makes you think that they will u-turn on 40 years of $#@!ing over Britain now that you've rubber-stamped their claim that 'it was all Europe's fault'?

that's the thing isn't it. it's actually quite easy to spot a problem and make noise about the travesty of it. it's rather more difficult to come up with a solution that works within a modern economy. it's the farage dilemma. it's easy to point the finger at financial institutions being schmoozed and looked after by westminster to rile up the natives (isn't that what George has been up to last few days?), but what's his alternative? let the markets drop like a stone?

 

[EdgeOfTheAlps]

Most of MPs are for remain in. They are going to make sensible legislation and negotiations on Brexit very difficult. As we have a large number of lefties and other assorted loons (SNP to name just one group) sitting on the benches in the commons what should be a relative easy transition from member to non member of the EU is going to be fraught with difficulties. Obstacles are going to be erected at every opportunity to try and thwart the process. David Cameron’s demeanour tells me he has no enthusiasm to sort out any problems arising with Brexit and until he is replaced only turmoil and chaos will be the order of the day. Aided and abetted by the BBC, the EU, Guardian and the like.

Haha got what you wanted yet still blaming the EU. Imagine a parliament filled with UKIP MP's, how would they improve the lives of those that have suffered most from globalisation and Friedman-inspired Thatcherism?

And what about the Welsh valleys?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It is up to the people of the UK to decide their fate and they did so. The EU has a lot of influence over our lives (It is part of the establishment)

The IN now make a judgement (because they lost) that people are not capable or should not be allowed to decide because they are uneducated, racist and xenophobic. It is divisive. The aftermath is every bit as filthy as the campaign.

They shouldn't be allowed to decide directly because referenda are by and large, a terrible concept.

 

[Penk Wolf]

It is up to the people of the UK to decide their fate and they did so. The EU has a lot of influence over our lives (It is part of the establishment)

The IN now make a judgement (because they lost) that people are not capable or should not be allowed to decide because they are uneducated, racist and xenophobic. It is divisive. The aftermath is every bit as filthy as the campaign.

To be fair, if you removed all the uneducated, racist and xenophobic from the referendum then I think 'IN' would have won fairly comfortable.

 

[Papper]

To be fair, if you removed all the uneducated, racist and xenophobic from the referendum then I think 'IN' would have won fairly comfortable.

And the same can be said of the other side. The referendum was cross political. It has been repeatedly said that concern over immigration is legitimate and not racist/xenophobic ideology. We are not a racist, xenophobic population - whatever the msm wants you to believe.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Haha got what you wanted yet still blaming the EU. Imagine a parliament filled with UKIP MP's, how would they improve the lives of those that have suffered most from globalisation and Friedman-inspired Thatcherism?

And what about the Welsh valleys?

Of course I am. The reason Leave won, is because the EU hasn't worked for the working classes.

 

[Papper]

They shouldn't be allowed to decide directly because referenda are by and large, a terrible concept.

You couldn't align it with political persuasion in a General Election because it would skew the vote. It was an apolitical vote. There was no other way ..

 

[lemonjelly]

Funny, I thought I had asked the questions. Still being childish and can't take losing?

You clearly haven't, as nimrod, and several other posters have pointed out.

Your 2nd sentence is the most childish thing on here. It changes little. You're a WUM, a bullshitter, and obnoxious. However, I am contented in that others clearly know this. Nimrod was ultra clear, yet you continued to avoid the question, and still haven't answered his. You've had similar with bit on the shaggies, me, and several others.

Yet you're the first to cry whenever it gets pointed out.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

You couldn't align it with political persuasion in a General Election because it would skew the vote. It was an apolitical vote. There was no other way ..

Of course there was a way. Don't hold a referendum.

If the likes of Gove, Johnson, Farage, IDS etc wanted to form a party and run for Parliament with the explicit agenda that if elected they would be seeking to remove Britain from the EU, no questions asked, and they'd won, that would be fair enough. No-one of any importance ever runs with that in their manifesto though as it isn't really a particularly popular view.

This was not a question that could be answered simply Yes or No. Not many things are which is why referenda are rubbish and barely used.

 

[thehistorymakers]

To be fair, if you removed all the uneducated, racist and xenophobic from the referendum then I think 'IN' would have won fairly comfortable.

If you would have removed all the brainwashed, indoctrinated and all the young people who haven't had to work a day in their life and get their political ideas from facebook, then I think leave would have won by a bigger margin.

All that really maters is Leave won!

 

[lemonjelly]

Funny, I thought I had asked the questions. Still being childish and can't take losing?

I've posted about 7-8 times on this thread. Please show me which posts have been childish, or can't take losing?

 

[Langers]

Of course I am. The reason Leave won, is because the EU hasn't worked for the working classes.

Another reason is because a lot of bigoted people voted without any thoughts whatsoever towards the EU.

I watched the Belgium game down my local last night and got chatting to some of the regulars about the result - some of them voted leave and for perfectly decent reasons. No objections whatsoever there, it was a good discussion and I respect their decisions.

But it's pretty clear that a lot of people just used the immigration 'argument' as their sole reason for voting leave, and haven't got a scooby do about the pros or cons of the European Union. And whose lives probably aren't directly affected by immigration one iota. I don't respect their decisions. They're just fucking idiots.