REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[lemonjelly]

This is baffling




So leaving destroys your own business and puts you out of work but still wants to leave! Think I have reached the end of trying to work out other people. We all are oddballs.

At risk of meandering OT, this is one of the truest things ever. We're all such oddballs. It's like the MH thread, I sometimes think that we're also all fundamentally broken in one way or another.

Cue posts of speak for yourself and whatnot...

Anyway, back on topic, politicians are arseholes ain't they!

 

[Kenny]

I can't find the link on twitter, but he basically never mentioned any reason why he wanted to leave just that we need to now for the sake of democracy.

I should have said I call bullshit on people saying that and actually meaning it.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Yeah, I knew what you meant.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

 

[Deleted Cyber]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=743235419392068

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Will of the people.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Was that not pretty much how they were polling up until the referendum?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's just wilfully mendacious of May to constantly trot out that line when she knows it's not true. It's also the only justification the Government ever put forward for going ahead with this catastrophe.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Will of the people.

Should have prepared better for the real thing then. Its all very good winning the heats, but its the final that counts. Labour would win an election if opinion polls are to be believed but hey ho its still the Theresa show

 

[Sam-Wolf]

Should have prepared better for the real thing then. Its all very good winning the heats, but its the final that counts. Labour would win an election if opinion polls are to be believed but hey ho its still the Theresa show

What opinion polls are you looking at?!

 

[Sniffer]

What opinion polls are you looking at?!

Not the ones Fiona Bruce and Isabel Oakeshott look at.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Corbyn tacitly supported remain whilst not really explaining the benefits of doing so to a core of traditional Labour voters who were always going to vote leave without that being explained to them properly by a political figure they respected. Therefore he knew that would be a large rump of votes in favour of leave which was always his personal objective.

He couldn't openly support the leave position because Momentum who put him as Labour leader were remain with their predominantly younger membership and the PLP who at that point he was already struggling to hold together would have imploded.

Cameron will always be number one in the blame game for this mess but Corbyn's disingenous actions motivated by his own ideology aren't really that far behind.

Corbyn is a Remainer it's daft to suggest otherwise. His position was the only sensible one to take - remain and reform. A myth gained currency that he wasn't particularly bothered during the referendum campaign but he simply received less media time than the other major players. The vote was Leave v Remain and given that Cameron was a Remainer and the PM he hoovered up most of the coverage. After that the media were mainly interested in the Leavers - Johnson, Farage, Gove etc. as they were the opposition but also highly likely to say/do stupid/controversial things.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Should have prepared better for the real thing then. Its all very good winning the heats, but its the final that counts. Labour would win an election if opinion polls are to be believed but hey ho its still the Theresa show

Hmmmm

That sounds remarkably alike Farage's point of view on a second referendum. Which only became clear after he had won. When the exit polls suggested he had lost he said this wouldn't be over.

Well, guess what, he won, and it isn't over.

 

[Johnny75]

Corbyn is a Remainer it's daft to suggest otherwise. His position was the only sensible one to take - remain and reform. A myth gained currency that he wasn't particularly bothered during the referendum campaign but he simply received less media time than the other major players. The vote was Leave v Remain and given that Cameron was a Remainer and the PM he hoovered up most of the coverage. After that the media were mainly interested in the Leavers - Johnson, Farage, Gove etc. as they were the opposition but also highly likely to say/do stupid/controversial things.

This isn't so much rewriting history as absolute nonsense.

I really do wish we still had the facepalm emoji.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Should have prepared better for the real thing then. Its all very good winning the heats, but its the final that counts. Labour would win an election if opinion polls are to be believed but hey ho its still the Theresa show

So just to check, what you're saying is this:

Cameron (primarily) messed up the Remain campaign. So even though Brexit is a complete shambles and no-one will get remotely what they want out of it, and we'll all suffer (except disaster capitalists and billionaire businessmen who can afford to move all their affairs to Singapore/Monaco), we have to go ahead with it regardless. Because of what a Prime Minister who left office two and a half years ago did, even though in that time we've had another General Election and there's significant evidence that public opinion has moved.

Because that sounds rather silly.

 

[Tredman]

Brexiters will blame anyone other than themselves. It's *their* fault it always will be, we should never let them forget it.

 

[Penk Wolf]

https://twitter.com/change_britain/status/1091085646851178502?s=21

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I can happily find you some choice quotes from Wolves fans who said after the Liverpool game that we should keep Ruddy in goal and put Patricio on the bench for a while, doesn't mean it's a sensible idea or even a widespread belief.

Also that Twitter account is disturbingly awful, I may have to burn this laptop now.

 

[sycophantia]

Brexiters will blame anyone other than themselves. It's *their* fault it always will be, we should never let them forget it.

Leaving aside whether you voted in or out, the people were offered a choice by the politicians to stay in the EU or leave, the majority voted to leave, the politicians through incompetence, lack of bottle or just plain lack of will have failed to deliver it, in fact worse than that we appear to be heading for the worst of both worlds, so maybe the brexiteers have a point about being let down

 

[Paul]

Corbyn is a Remainer it's daft to suggest otherwise. His position was the only sensible one to take - remain and reform. A myth gained currency that he wasn't particularly bothered during the referendum campaign but he simply received less media time than the other major players. The vote was Leave v Remain and given that Cameron was a Remainer and the PM he hoovered up most of the coverage. After that the media were mainly interested in the Leavers - Johnson, Farage, Gove etc. as they were the opposition but also highly likely to say/do stupid/controversial things.

Did you type that with a straight face ? You sound like a PR man who's master has done something particularly stupid and you have to now 'make things right'