REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Deutsch Wolf]

Feel free to post facts which show people are more confident in reporting hate crimes

If you think a doubling in FIVE years is purely because of that i really do hope you have something to back up your claim..

I remember having a chuckle at Darlo last summer, the Kennedy goal at Stockport went up in the "Best XI" thread, you could see Wolves fans celebrating in the home end and he went on a journey of whimsy about "the days when you could sit in the opposition's end with no trouble". Aye, those heady, distant days of 2002 :icon_lol:

But 2012/13 being painted as a time when people just sort of let racism go :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

You can argue that racists have always been there, it's pretty obvious who has emboldened them of late though.

 

[Tony Towner]

There is a rise in racism and the freedom to express racist views.

I disagree with the first point in its narrowest sense, but agree with the second. Racism never went away it just became socially unacceptable, you still heard many a conversation in pubs that were appalling that people wouldn't say at work or to a stranger. People now feel more empowered to express those opinions and have mainstream political figures with media exposure to encourage them.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Feel free to post facts which show people are more confident in reporting hate crimes

If you think a doubling in FIVE years is purely because of that i really do hope you have something to back up your claim..

This was unheard of a decade ago http://www.report-it.org.uk/home
Forces have officers dedicated purely to hate crime. Again in response to more coming forward.
Because it's on the increase?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45874265 i s would argue this has nothing to do with brexit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44873179 possible rise after brexit.

 

[Tredman]

I disagree with the first point in its narrowest sense, but agree with the second. Racism never went away it just became socially unacceptable, you still heard many a conversation in pubs that were appalling that people wouldn't say at work or to a stranger. People now feel more empowered to express those opinions and have mainstream political figures with media exposure to encourage them.

I think racism has changed, the more obvious racism like Dion Dublin experienced is less obvious and possible less prevalent. Racism against Islam, Asians and Eastern Europeans has risen massively imo.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Feel free to post facts which show people are more confident in reporting hate crimes

If you think a doubling in FIVE years is purely because of that i really do hope you have something to back up your claim..

I think the whole Harvey Weinstein case shows how far we are coming along. Kevin Spacey too. Offences can be racially aggravated now and increase the sentence.

I have absolutely no evidence as a manager that racism is on the increase. Quite the opposite. My organisation now has never been so diverse!

 

[Penk Wolf]

I think racism has changed, the more obvious racism like Dion Dublin experienced is less obvious and possible less prevalent. Racism against Islam, Asians and Eastern Europeans has risen massively imo.

Yeah, agree with that.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I think racism has changed, the more obvious racism like Dion Dublin experienced is less obvious and possible less prevalent. Racism against Islam, Asians and Eastern Europeans has risen massively imo.

That's religious hatred .That's not brexit.

 

[Tony Towner]

I think racism has changed, the more obvious racism like Dion Dublin experienced is less obvious and possible less prevalent. Racism against Islam, Asians and Eastern Europeans has risen massively imo.

I think we are saying similar things just defining the word racism differently. Perhaps I should have said racists rather than racism. Clearly reported race crimes have increased, I don't think the number of racists has though, just more empowered.

 

[Tredman]

That's religious hatred .That's not brexit.

Two sides of the same coin, Google UKIP's poster of the hoardes entering Europe - couldn't really get much more obvious if you tried (which they did)

 

[leedswolf]

Sounds familiar.

Anyone fancy an olive?

Ace.

 

[leedswolf]

People haven't just become racist because of UKIP etc.

They have felt empowered because of UKIP. They feel that their vile beliefs are legitimised through not just UKIP, but the Referendum result.

Why call a Referendum? Those that wanted to break from the EU had the option to vote for UKIP, yet not one member was returned to Westminster which suggests to me that the political 'will of the people' was happy with the status quo.

 

[leedswolf]

The problem is not the policies

It's Corbyn

You get Corbyn and a n other Labour politician to espouse those views and one gets pilloried as unelectable the other gets heralded. Under Corbyn Labour are fuucked!

????

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Two sides of the same coin, Google UKIP's poster of the hoardes entering Europe - couldn't really get much more obvious if you tried (which they did)

52% voted out

About 15% ever voted uki p

So 37% of Labour or Tory euro sceptics are also racist by your reckoning.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

????

I could see myself voting for those policies.

I can never see myself voting for corbyn.

 

[Del Woppio]

You're taking the absolute piss if you're saying overt racism hasn't increased since the referendum was called.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

You're taking the absolute piss if you're saying overt racism hasn't increased since the referendum was called.

Ah. Thanks for your contribution. Succinct and to the point so let me respond.

There are no figures to show more people are racist but there are figures that show more people are comfortable to report race hate crimes. This follows on from n 20 years following the Stephen Lawrence enquiry that highlighted ineffective police reporting and recording of race hate crimes and a complete reluctance to report such crimes. Far from taking the piss as you eloquently put it I am highlighting that the increased effort to target race hate crime and therefore the support and resources dedicated to encouraging the reporting of race hate crime has led to an increase in such report's not that we as a nation in the UK are more racist. My experience is opposite.

I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Being gay was still basically illegal! Being sexist was almost mandatory and being racist was normal. From love thy neighbour rising damp and the black and white minstrels or Alf Garnett on the race side to page 3 models, unequal pay and overt sexism being acceptable. You really need to see how far we have come in a generation. I was brought up to have prejudices against colour against homosexuality and against gender equality. The fact that I have none of those traits is testament to the education I have received from peers , trainers and life in general.

 

[leedswolf]

Ah. Thanks for your contribution. Succinct and to the point so let me respond.

There are no figures to show more people are racist but there are figures that show more people are comfortable to report race hate crimes. This follows on from n 20 years following the Stephen Lawrence enquiry that highlighted ineffective police reporting and recording of race hate crimes and a complete reluctance to report such crimes. Far from taking the piss as you eloquently put it I am highlighting that the increased effort to target race hate crime and therefore the support and resources dedicated to encouraging the reporting of race hate crime has led to an increase in such report's not that we as a nation in the UK are more racist. My experience is opposite.

So it's the victims' fault for under-reporting?

 

[Johnny75]

You're taking the absolute piss if you're saying overt racism hasn't increased since the referendum was called.

I wouldn't bother, none of us can ever be right. We're all part of the problem, in fact Del, you just have to realise that you're living in a world that you don't understand. Suck it up.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

So it's the victims' fault for under-reporting?

Where the hell do you get that from?

If a system is in place that fails to support victims of a particular crime reporting rates are reduced. Because there are few reports in the last it was perceived bat there was no problem. This was wrong. The reason for the low reporting included lack of confidence, fear of not being believed, fear of reprisal, and many other legitimate reasons.

So mechanisms were introduced, training improved, advertising campaigns run to better equip victims to repirt.

How the fuck does that relate to me saying it's their fault?

 

[leedswolf]

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