REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[The Saturday Boy]

Would that be good news?

It would be news, everything else is subjective and depends on your opinion on Brexit.

 

[lemonjelly]

Panasonic moving their Europe HQ out of the UK owing to the tax implications possible as a result of brexit.

 

[leedswolf]

From Linkedin;

British pharmaceutical companies have been cut out of medicine contracts seven months ahead of Brexit.The European Medicines Agency (EMA) has told British companies the long lead-time involved in assessing medicines means it canno longer fulfil lead contracts, as there’s no guarantee the expert would be part of the EU after March 2019. Instead, existing contracts with the Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) in Britain are being reallocated to bloc members. The EMA has already commenced its move from Britain to new headquarters in Amsterdam, resulting in the loss of 900 roles.

EasyJet is shifting 1,400 of its European pilots’ UK licences to Austrian and German licences.The airline says it fears UK-issued licences “may not be valid within the EU” after Brexit. EasyJet recentlyadded Austrian flags to its planes— a mandatory requirement by safety regulators there — as it prepares to set up headquarters in Vienna.

 

[Johnny75]

Andrew Marr interviewing Liam Fox when discussing Japan: Panasonic are moving their HQ to Holland

LF: Yeah but that's only 10 jobs.

That's 10 jobs lost because of an ideological stance. These Brixitwats are really pissing me off.

 

[Boozad]

Fucking moron. Him, not you.

 

[Johnny75]

Fucking moron. Him, not you.

Could be both.

 

[leedswolf]

Could be both.

Hmmm. Decisions, decisions [emoji6]

 

[lemonjelly]

Andrew Marr interviewing Liam Fox when discussing Japan: Panasonic are moving their HQ to Holland

LF: Yeah but that's only 10 jobs.

That's 10 jobs lost because of an ideological stance. These Brixitwats are really pissing me off.

This is the same lying fuck that doesn't agree with his own treasury, with absolutely no evidence to back up his view.
Is Adam Werrity advising him or something?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45388557

 

[Premier Quality]

To be fair, he’s right that all the treasury forecasts relating to Brexit have been completely wrong so far, so you have to take their latest “we’re all doomed” view with a hefty pinch of salt

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I would take Berniers comments pretty damn seriously though. Chequers is the deal we offer, then it is definitely a no deal hard Brexit. And then we will see if the doom-mongers were right or not.

On this one, the only possible way May can win is by calling a second referendum on the final deal. As it is the Rees-Mogg brigade aren't going to get what they want so they want to bring the whole edifice down. And on the other side, the 48% who didn't vote for this calamity don't want a Brexit of any sort at all.

May simply cannot win the support of either of those factions, and Chequers just pisses them both off equally and is doomed to abject failure at the negotiating table.

Looks pretty unsurvivable to me.

 

[Johnny75]

To be fair, he’s right that all the treasury forecasts relating to Brexit have been completely wrong so far, so you have to take their latest “we’re all doomed” view with a hefty pinch of salt

I'm sure that's huge comport to those who have lost (will lose) their jobs.

 

[Premier Quality]

My personal opinion is that it’s probably mostly agreed, and both sides are trying to look tough, but with small amounts of give to take us to the deadline.

They’ll then stand there shaking hands, talking about what a tough negotiator they both were, and how both got most of what they wanted, and the glorious future that awaits.

Neither side are doing any of it well, obviously...

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The simple thing that doesn't tally is that a hard border in Ireland breaks the Good Friday agreement, and a soft border in Ireland is a red line that the EU cannot accept.

It won't get agreed.

 

[SLA]

My personal opinion is that it’s probably mostly agreed, and both sides are trying to look tough, but with small amounts of give to take us to the deadline.

What do you base that opinion on? I can only see the UK side coming up with suggestions that they know the EU can only say no to due to the structure and rules of the EU. Rules which we know perfectly well as we were involved in creating them and have abided by them for the last three decades. It'd be nice to think there were more substantive things going on in the background, but I'd be very surprised if that were the case.

 

[Premier Quality]

Mostly self interest on both sides and politics.

The impact of a no deal Brexit in the short term is crap for all involved. Barnier wants to take over from Junker when he leaves, and needs a good deal to get him the support he requires to be nominated. If he presided over a shit show, it won’t happen.

Don’t forget, The Northern European nations gdp would also be hit, as well as the UK - less than the UK but still politically very significant.

Most of the stuff in the papers is political posturing, always has been - they all think it’s just a big game of willy waving.

And finally, the EU haven’t actually come up with any plan at all - much as they say in public they don’t like the UK plan, they’ve not published an alternate version. I think it’s just so they can squeeze as much as they can from may, rather than having to debate their offer and meet somewhere in the middle.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

They don't need to have a plan, it's us that's leaving.

 

[SLA]

I think the EU have been fairly clear all along about where they stand. You don't get to leave the EU but then benefit from it at no cost which is what the cakeists in the UK seem to want. Yes, the EU nations might take a hit, but they've clearly calculated that giving the UK preferential treatment would be more detrimental to the EU in the long run, which seems fair enough.

 

[Premier Quality]

I’m misquoting Johnny to make the point to you both here...

I'm sure that's huge comport to those in the EU who have lost (will lose) their jobs.

Like I say, I think the likelihood is a fudged agreement, but we’ll see...

 

[Penk Wolf]

Didn't Raab say it was 80% done and the rest could be sorted afterwards?

 

[SLA]

I’m misquoting Johnny to make the point to you both here...



Like I say, I think the likelihood is a fudged agreement, but we’ll see...

But it's all on the UK. I can't really see how the EU bears any responsibility for the path "we" have chosen to take.