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It's just "krone". Kroner would be the plural.

/Pedant
 
Parkins left foot said:
May just be my character - can't see the point of kicking the 'opposition' if I end up worse off by doing so as well.

Would much rather give them a better deal as long as I gained as well - a win/win deal cannot be worse than everyone losing which is what all are doing at the moment.
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i imagine quite a few of the promoters of intransigence are either not going to be particularly harmed by the situation or are wealthy enough to ride things out short term in support of their ideology or in expectation of later gain. they don’t consider themselves at risk.
 
Alan said:
It's just "krone". Kroner would be the plural.

/Pedant
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Yep two types of Krone (Swedish and Danish), thanks for pointing that out Alan, your input is invaluable as always.
 
Johnny75 said:
The Scandinavians aren't giving up the Kroner anytime soon. So it's a nonsense scenario made up in your head and no difference to the 80's rubbish about commies under your bed.
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Completely different reasoning on their part as Sweden and Denmark has a version of Krone (Krona in sweden) and are members of the EU but Norway and Iceland also use a version of Krone but are not members.

To take it even further Denmark are also part of Shenghen.Denmark also use kilometeres.

So of all the pre 2006 eu members which one
Refuses to give up miles
Refuses to deal solely in kg
Rejects the euro
Rejects shenghen?

Uk. We were a senior member with the most opt outs. My statement was hypothetical but given the stated aims of the EU with regard to single currency, single measurement, single distance measurement, no borders, it seemed obvious that we were only going to be more and more out of step. So your nonsense claim is once again, trite.

PLF puts things more calmly and eloquently than i. But he is 100% right that while both sides take such entrenched positions there will be no winners.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Completely different reasoning on their part as Sweden and Denmark has a version of Krone (Krona in sweden) and are members of the EU but Norway and Iceland also use a version of Krone but are not members.

To take it even further Denmark are also part of Shenghen.Denmark also use kilometeres.

So of all the pre 2006 eu members which one
Refuses to give up miles
Refuses to deal solely in kg
Rejects the euro
Rejects shenghen?

Uk. We were a senior member with the most opt outs. My statement was hypothetical but given the stated aims of the EU with regard to single currency, single measurement, single distance measurement, no borders, it seemed obvious that we were only going to be more and more out of step. So your nonsense claim is once again, trite.

PLF puts things more calmly and eloquently than i. But he is 100% right that while both sides take such entrenched positions there will be no winners.
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Your argument is nonsense. I've provided you with proof and you still refuse to believe it. Just for information all the Kroners are separate currencies.

As far as I know nobody is stopping us using km's or miles and never will.

Why anybody would want to use our antiquated weight system is beyond me. The metric system is used throughout the scientific world and SI units are just that. Nobody has said we need to use them and the EU didn't make them up either.

If you have proof that we can't use our own W&M units I'd like to see it and whilst you're at it can you tell me the benefits of not using the metric system?
 
Parkins left foot said:
In part it's intransigence & stupidity on both sides which has made this split more damaging than it needed to be - like any separation/divorce you either go amicably and try & get the best for all parties or go for the throat & cripple both sides for a long time.

Think that both sides are going for the latter option.
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The problem is leave & remain are in the same side.

To quote your analogy, we still have to live together afterwards
 
Johnny75 said:
Your argument is nonsense. I've provided you with proof and you still refuse to believe it. Just for information all the Kroners are separate currencies.

As far as I know nobody is stopping us using km's or miles and never will.

Why anybody would want to use our antiquated weight system is beyond me. The metric system is used throughout the scientific world and SI units are just that. Nobody has said we need to use them and the EU didn't make them up either.

If you have proof that we can't use our own W&M units I'd like to see it and whilst you're at it can you tell me the benefits of not using the metric system?
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Aye.

We are teaching our kids the metric system in schools - it was what I was being taught at primary school 40 years ago. Now I work in cms and metres...and miles. I weigh things in lbs but liquids I measure in mls. We use a strange mixture of incompatible measures to pander to some outdated notion of Englishness. It serves no purpose. It’s a pretty poor reason to leave the EU to keep control of a nonsense situation.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
Aye.

We are teaching our kids the metric system in schools - it was what I was being taught at primary school 40 years ago. Now I work in cms and metres...and miles. I weigh things in lbs but liquids I measure in mls. We use a strange mixture of incompatible measures to pander to some outdated notion of Englishness. It serves no purpose. It’s a pretty poor reason to leave the EU to keep control of a nonsense situation.
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There is a strange alignment here TSB as I'm agreeing with everything you say right now.
 
My pleasure.

https://www.gov.uk/weights-measures-and-packaging-the-law

I am lucky. I was 7 when we went decimal. I was taught metric but know imperial.

Many older tradesmen still work in feet and inches. Either doesn't effect me. Metric is easier. I was merely pointing out areas we had either opted out or were out of step with EU thinking.

Your default position generally is to rubbish as nonsense any scenario, however plausible that doesn't fit your stance. That is the example of the entrenched view we are trying to move from.

In February 2016 Cameron took an absolute kicking from the EU as he tried to negotiate further opt out to help ensure the UK stayed in the EU. We were treated as naughty children and dismissed.4 months later we voted leave. The EU has had ample chance to support the UK which has clearly been struggling with the eu obligations and requirements for more than two decades. It chose not too. This is also on them as much as Cameron for calling the vote.

I want the best possible exit. However what it the EU asked us to stay? What if they acknowledged our fears? What if they scaled back their plans and suited down for all states not just us? There are plenty questioning their membership now?

Would I have voted to remain if I thought the EU and UK had agreed to follow a much closer path? Yes I would. They didnt, they wont. That's why we are here now and only if both sides give ground will we move forward.

I will look for compromise
 
The Saturday Boy said:
But it’s a different competition now, with different players and tactics...we have a new manager. If we took your football analogy to a conclusion there could only ever have been one World Cup winner, one FA Cup winner, one Division One Champion.

It’s almost as if you aren’t confident the people would still vote the same way so best not give them the chance.

As it happens, I am still undecided on the issue of a second vote for reasons I stated earlier - whatever the outcome it is a problem now. Leave without a deal and I, along with many others, believe it will be a cluster fuck. A soft Brexit could leakage us in a worse relationship with the EU than we have now and remaining in the EU is two fingers to the 2016 referendum and will cause real anger.
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A soft Brexit will no doubt mean a weaker relationship with the EU, but could mean a stronger relationship with non EU nations and the net result being better for the UK.
 
By negotiating our own deals with other countries, i.e free trade with Timbuktu, for example.
 
On what terms though? I really admire your commitment to 'pie in the sky'.
 
So were not going to deal with anyone ever again, come the day, we'll just close up as an island and that'll be it ?
 
Paul said:
So were not going to deal with anyone ever again, come the day, we'll just close up as an island and that'll be it ?
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Of course not and I expect better than that from you. Enlighten me on the obvious benefits please.
 
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