REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Tony Towner]

Ok. The veto was becoming more and more of an issue for the main eu countries who was the UK as wanting to have its cake and eat it. The whole reason for the referendum was to get the sceptics and ukip to $#@! off. Spectacular miscalculation.

But we are where we are. We are now starting to cover well trodden ground. Sirry. It's got to be what next for me not what was. It's gone.

The veto applies to all EU countries not just the UK. As it does with them all approving whatever deal, should there be one.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

So. After a page.

Not a sausage of telling me about the wonders I can look forward to. Quite a lot of blatantly ignoring any post about the shit being taken away. And then a nice "we're not racist" deflection.

Fuck off.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

That's like getting semi finals replayed to be fair.

To be fair, it really isn’t. It’s a rematch if you want to use a football analogy. Or maybe the second leg.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

To be fair, it really isn’t. It’s a rematch if you want to use a football analogy. Or maybe the second leg.

No because a winner has been declared and fairly. But it's semantics.

I have said what I would vote on and why. I have also offered who should lead now on Brexit and why. I have agreed that cross party is the right way.

Now what it needs is for a bit of compromising to get a decent result for all. It's possible

 

[Parkins left foot]

So. After a page.

Not a sausage of telling me about the wonders I can look forward to. Quite a lot of blatantly ignoring any post about the shit being taken away. And then a nice "we're not racist" deflection.

Fuck off.

You haven't got any wonders to look forward to, but suspect we hadn't if we had voted in either - the EU is a sclerotic organisation which isn't moving in the way which many other European partners want to proceed - hence the rise of 'right wing movements' elsewhere (which is not helpful).

As to the racist issue - were some voting for that reason, clearly yes, but please don't include all of of us with that - that's an easy insult to throw out without any real foundation

 

[Deleted Cyber]

So. After a page.

Not a sausage of telling me about the wonders I can look forward to. Quite a lot of blatantly ignoring any post about the $#@! being taken away. And then a nice "we're not racist" deflection.

$#@! off.

Yawn. I have answered every post I thought. Please tell me any specifics I have missed? It has been a bit hectic typing this last hour

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

You haven't answered a fucking thing frankly. Not an iota. But hey, you are happy and want the rest of us to get a boat holed below the waterline.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

No because a winner has been declared and fairly. But it's semantics.

I have said what I would vote on and why. I have also offered who should lead now on Brexit and why. I have agreed that cross party is the right way.

Now what it needs is for a bit of compromising to get a decent result for all. It's possible

But it’s a different competition now, with different players and tactics...we have a new manager. If we took your football analogy to a conclusion there could only ever have been one World Cup winner, one FA Cup winner, one Division One Champion.

It’s almost as if you aren’t confident the people would still vote the same way so best not give them the chance.

As it happens, I am still undecided on the issue of a second vote for reasons I stated earlier - whatever the outcome it is a problem now. Leave without a deal and I, along with many others, believe it will be a cluster fuck. A soft Brexit could leakage us in a worse relationship with the EU than we have now and remaining in the EU is two fingers to the 2016 referendum and will cause real anger.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

You haven't answered a $#@!ing thing frankly. Not an iota. But hey, you are happy and want the rest of us to get a boat holed below the waterline.

Ok I withdraw before it gets too much!

 

[Deleted Cyber]

But it’s a different competition now, with different players and tactics...we have a new manager. If we took your football analogy to a conclusion there could only ever have been one World Cup winner, one FA Cup winner, one Division One Champion.

It’s almost as if you aren’t confident the people would still vote the same way so best not give them the chance.

As it happens, I am still undecided on the issue of a second vote for reasons I stated earlier - whatever the outcome it is a problem now. Leave without a deal and I, along with many others, believe it will be a cluster $#@!. A soft Brexit could leakage us in a worse relationship with the EU than we have now and remaining in the EU is two fingers to the 2016 referendum and will cause real anger.

I am completely 100% confident a second vote would end in a remain win 60 to 40

But the reasons would not be because the EU had changed or had listened or was better.

It would be because we are tired of the same shi t and tired of those charged with sorting it and leaving it in a too tricky tray.Those are the wrong reasons.

Earlier Padd asked me how may can govern with 33% and his view isn't respected with 48%.

If every voter who voted remain had also voted Labour she would not be in power. But that's another thread.

 

[Parkins left foot]

I am completely 100% confident a second vote would end in a remain win 60 to 40

But the reasons would not be because the EU had changed or had listened or was better.

It would be because we are tired of the same shi t and tired of those charged with sorting it and leaving it in a too tricky tray.Those are the wrong reasons.

Earlier Padd asked me how may can govern with 33% and his view isn't respected with 48%.

If every voter who voted remain had also voted Labour she would not be in power. But that's another thread.

If there was a second vote then would agree with your split - that would be as much as a result of the fuck up the last 2 years have been rather than the underlying issues though

 

[Parkins left foot]

Thanks Parkin, you were one of my 3. We know Ref II is highly unlikely to happen and for the reasons discussed higher up the thread probably shouldn't, but if it were to do so, knowing the direction of travel what would you do?

Really not sure - don't trust either side to act in a way that benefits anyone than themselves

 

[visage]

Agreed re farages intent but giving him the position and responsibility may prove the stroke that made him compromise. It is never never never happening with the tories

He wouldn't take the job. Too much like responsibility.

 

[Parkins left foot]

He wouldn't take the job. Too much like responsibility.

Farage is a windbag - sound and fury, but never going to take a position that makes him responsible for anything

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

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Ok I withdraw before it gets too much!

Nope I have no idea what the hell that shit is about at all. If the best you have is a wank gif then I pity you

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I am completely 100% confident a second vote would end in a remain win 60 to 40

But the reasons would not be because the EU had changed or had listened or was better.

It would be because we are tired of the same shi t and tired of those charged with sorting it and leaving it in a too tricky tray.Those are the wrong reasons.

Earlier Padd asked me how may can govern with 33% and his view isn't respected with 48%.

If every voter who voted remain had also voted Labour she would not be in power. But that's another thread.

I'm not convinced that the reasons for leaving are right either - but as you have argued in the past, there are many reasons why people voted leave so I don't think you can lump everyone who wants to stay in the "tired of the shit" category. There will be people who voted remain would vote the same way, there will be people who voted leave but now would vote remain because they have changed their mind and there are those who voted leave who can't be bothered with it any more.

But if you believe it is now a 60/40 split for remain, which I doubt, then leavers should be all over a second referendum because since the day after the referendum the "will of the people" has been the sole reason for continuing regardless. If the will of the people really has changed to that extent it must be tested, that is consistent with the will of the people mantra.

 

[Parkins left foot]

In part it's intransigence & stupidity on both sides which has made this split more damaging than it needed to be - like any separation/divorce you either go amicably and try & get the best for all parties or go for the throat & cripple both sides for a long time.

Think that both sides are going for the latter option.

 

[nimrod]

In part it's intransigence & stupidity on both sides which has made this split more damaging than it needed to be - like any separation/divorce you either go amicably and try & get the best for all parties or go for the throat & cripple both sides for a long time.

Think that both sides are going for the latter option.

lol, cmon, there was only going to be one way this was going no to play out. acrimoniously. you can’t expect the degree of lying in any campaign that we have seen to be forgiven, simply because it is unforgivable. there needs to be a reckoning.

 

[Parkins left foot]

lol, cmon, there was only going to be one way this was going no to play out. acrimoniously. you can’t expect the degree of lying in any campaign that we have seen to be forgiven, simply because it is unforgivable. there needs to be a reckoning.

May just be my character - can't see the point of kicking the 'opposition' if I end up worse off by doing so as well.

Would much rather give them a better deal as long as I gained as well - a win/win deal cannot be worse than everyone losing which is what all are doing at the moment.

 

[Johnny75]

That is where you and I disagree. I saw first hand what public service was working towards and why.We were working towards Shenghen as we knew in the long term it had to happoen. Just as in the long term we would go to the euro and the km. Can you imagine a 2034 eu with 30 members all in the euro and Shenghen bar 1 country! Us?

That is where we were heading. That is what I disagreed with.

The Scandinavians aren't giving up the Kroner anytime soon. So it's a nonsense scenario made up in your head and no difference to the 80's rubbish about commies under your bed.