REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Deleted Cyber]

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Everything I predicted came to pass. Its a pisser but shit happens. What we as a country do next is what matters

 

[SLA]

Everything I predicted came to pass. Its a pisser but $#@! happens. What we as a country do next is what matters

Fine if that's what you think. Others clearly have different views and would like to discuss them. You are not compelled to join in.

 

[ROVERT47]

Problem is there ain't a fucker on the planet who knows how we're gonna move on at he moment.

 

[Tredman]

The real big problem is those who led us out have even less idea.

 

[Johnny75]

The real big problem is those who led us out have even less idea.

It would be interesting to now get some meat on the bones from those who voted out exactly how and when they are going to achieve what they think they've voted for.

 

[Parkins left foot]

The real big problem is those who led us out have even less idea.

Then again those who wanted in had no idea either.

This hasn't happened before - so nobody knows (though would think that the elected Government should have been thinking about what comes next in this scenario)

 

[Johnny75]

Then again those who wanted in had no idea either.

This hasn't happened before - so nobody knows (though would think that the elected Government should have been thinking about what comes next in this scenario)

Why would they? They wanted to stay in.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Why would they? They wanted to stay in.

They should/would have known there was no guarantee of sucess

The elected Government were on the In side

Should have been directing the Civil Service to consider 'what ifs' for both outcomes

 

[Tredman]

They did have contingency plans, else where else would the BoE have suddenly been able to find 250bn to prop up the £ and FTSE (kinda put the £250m into perspective)

 

[Deleted Cyber]

This thread therefore will be full of conjecture. Why don't we all take a breather for a few days and let the dust settle? Let those in power take a few steps and give us something to talk or argue about! There really is little point analysing the result to death as it won't change!

 

[Tredman]

No, but its worth considering what may happen in the near future.

 

[Dinowolf]

It seems to me that the PM, David Cameron, has abdicated his responsibility on Brexit by resigning.

He said that he would not invoke Article 50 to leave the EU, and would leave that to the next leader of the Tories who would be the new PM. He also said that this was likely to happen in October but certainly in time for the Conservative conference in November.

As PM he is supposed to visit the EU on Tues & Wed next week. That should be interesting.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

No, but its worth considering what may happen in the near future.

I agree but want to let any side do something before commenting otherwise we have every option on the table and nobody got time for that!

 

[Jolemai]

BBC : Tristram Hunt, 30.6% Remain vote in his constituency thinks Jeremy Corbyn, 75.2% Remain in his, will not be the right leader for General Election.

Isn't that the chap who resigned from the front bench saying he wouldn't work under Corbyn and is a known critic of him?

Do we know what Hunt did in his constituency to sway them?

 

[Tredman]

I agree but want to let any side do something before commenting otherwise we have every option on the table and nobody got time for that!

Yes you have!

Isn't that the chap who resigned from the front bench saying he wouldn't work under Corbyn and is a known critic of him?

Do we know what Hunt did in his constituency to sway them?

I think the post was a bit miselading. Hunt is the MP for Stoke and the vote was massively out. What else can you expect from a bunch of clayheads.

 

[visage]

Saw this earlier, which seems a reasonable summation. Cameron has basically said to Johnson, Geve et al 'You broke it, you fix it...' No wonder they all wanted him to stay on.

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

 

[WarwickWolf]

It seems to me that the PM, David Cameron, has abdicated his responsibility on Brexit by resigning.

He said that he would not invoke Article 50 to leave the EU, and would leave that to the next leader of the Tories who would be the new PM. He also said that this was likely to happen in October but certainly in time for the Conservative conference in November.

As PM he is supposed to visit the EU on Tues & Wed next week. That should be interesting.

Dave's done that to royally duck Boris.

 

[Jolemai]

Looks like Cameron has has the last laugh after all.

 

[Johnny75]

Isn't that the chap who resigned from the front bench saying he wouldn't work under Corbyn and is a known critic of him?

Do we know what Hunt did in his constituency to sway them?

I think you have misunderstood this. The tweeter (a staunch corbynite and communist) has said Tristram Hunt should not criticise Corbyn because of the percentage of votes in the referendum of their relevant constituencies.

Of course they are not linked, but why let a good conspiracy get in the way of genuine concern. Hunt doesn't think Corbyn should be leader as he isn't clever or sharp enough (sic) according to his article in the Guardian (an hour ago).

Is the new Socialist movement about stifling free speech and criticism now?

 

[EdgeOfTheAlps]

Saw this earlier, which seems a reasonable summation. Cameron has basically said to Johnson, Geve et al 'You broke it, you fix it...' No wonder they all wanted him to stay on.

Where's that from Visage because I seriously think they want to go back to the EU to renegotiate and don't want to invoke article 50.