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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Jesus. Even the most ardent Brexitwats must throw up a little into their mouths at this shit, surely.
 
Justice minister resigns to campaign against government's Brexit policy
Philip Lee, a remain-supporting justice minister, has resigned from the government to speak out against the government’s policy on Brexit. In a tweet he said he was “incredibly sad” to resign but felt he had to to “better speak up for my constituents and country over how Brexit is currently being delivered.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...inister-phillip-lee-resign-over-brexit-policy
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
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Fuck this country, honestly.
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Wow, just wow. The Press wouldnt get away with that anywhere else in the World.
 
Not sure there's any kind of consensus on what today means (I've been in and out all day, so wasn't following closely in real time).

The following all seems varying degrees of plausible:

- No confidence vote in May close
- The Lords will kick everything back
- Grieve's work is as good as watertight and means EEA+ is now overwhelmingly the most likely outcome
- No deal is practically dead
- The swivel eyed loons are now more than a bit boxed in, so they either have their pound of flesh or go back to sniping away like golf club bores, as they did pre-2016
- EU don't need to do or change anything, just sit back and watch us make a bollocks of it before we come asking for whatever we can get

On economic grounds we seriously need EEA+. On political grounds EEA+ suits the EU down to a tee, they get all the benefits of the UK contributing to the continent-wide economy on more or less the same terms but now we can't rabble rouse about anything, and there's your concrete proof to everyone else that leaving is a dreadful idea, it's an unwinnable task.

It really is the best of a very, very, very bad lot. Ideally we'd all wake up and none of this had ever happened. It would mean rewatching a season of Zenga/Lambert football but I think I'd take it.
 
The following all seems varying degrees of plausible:

- No confidence vote in May close - Don't think this is overly close, no one wants the job until after March
- The Lords will kick everything back - 100%
- Grieve's work is as good as watertight and means EEA+ is now overwhelmingly the most likely outcome - Yep
- No deal is practically dead - Yep
- The swivel eyed loons are now more than a bit boxed in, so they either have their pound of flesh or go back to sniping away like golf club bores, as they did pre-2016 - Yep
- EU don't need to do or change anything, just sit back and watch us make a bollocks of it before we come asking for whatever we can get - Again, yep. Exactly what they will do
 
Mildly (and I mean mildly) encouraging that on this occasion, the media haven't gone down the road of "here's one expert saying that this statement/these figures are a load of bunk, on the other hand, for balance and getting an equal amount of airtime, here's some total wingnut saying that it'll all be alright. So in summary, who knows?". They've just called it out as a load of bullshit.

Should happen all the time when it's clearly demonstrable that the claims are a work of fantasy.
 
What will your average person in the street take from the news of the additional funding? I'd guess those that all of those follow this sort of thing will know it is a load of made up bullshit however if a headline in a newspaper includes the words Brexit Dividend for NHS spending they'll look no further.

Boris has a grasp on it all...

Boris Johnson
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@BorisJohnson
Fantastic news on NHS funding - a down payment on the cash we will soon get back from our EU payments. #TakeBackControl #BrexitDividend
 
Can't wait for the sneaky tax increase to pay for this. It'll be a freeze on income tax bands for sure.
 
There's nothing particularly wrong with that if the lying tossers would just be upfront and honest about it
 
We've got to wait until November for the deets it seems. Sounds very similar to their 2015 strategy of "we are going to cut £12bn from the welfare budget, we will only tell you how once you've voted for us and we get in" (somehow that worked. This country)
 
Sniffer Grouse said:
At least we don't have to wait to find out why Sir Christopher Chope was given a knighthood by Theresa May 6 months ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-po...ng-row-mp-why-did-you-give-chope-a-knighthood
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In that clip, she simply doesn't know why he got a knighthood. The initial attempt to avoid the question is not allowed by Marr.

This brexit dividend newspeak sounds like something from come marketing shyster. As DW says, it's another case of making a statement with no evidence, and a refusal to give any information. Yet bizarrely, Hunt has now come out and said taxation will be needed for the NHS.

Sarah Wollaston has called it for what it is.

What worries me, is tax revenues will be going downwards from next March onwards, so what will happen then?
 
Grieve has just voted against his own amendment...

In the end there were only six "Tory rebels" with the government winning 319-303.
 
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