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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Johnny75 said:
She never was though Penk, which is why she struck a deal with the DUP. It's all about individual power right now and has been since Dave decided to walk off set after the Brexit vote.

There should be another GE next year but I think the alternative with Jezza may actually be worse. It's a pile of steaming shit right now.
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I’d vote Conservatives if the alternate was Jezzer.
 
Penk Wolf said:
I’d vote Conservatives if the alternate was Jezzer.
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Then you get what we have now. May isn't a leader but then would you vote for Rees-Mogg or David Davies? If they actually voted in a leader who wasn't so anti-EU or an out and out bellend I'd get behind them but I can't see who that would be. If Labour got rid of Corbyn and put Chukka in I think I'd vote red as he's far more centrist.

UK politics is in a just about the worst place in my living memory at this moment. Even if the Liberals spied their chance they have Vince 'older than God's dog' Cable in charge and he's feeble.
 
Jezza taking a lot of stick today, particularly from the relatively soft left commentators which I agree with. The sit back and watch them fuck it up policy had some merit during the conference season, it's now time to step up though. On a separate note, I went out with 3 good friends last night, the subject came up and two admitted to voting out, one I knew would the other surprised me. When asked why, he "just wants to see us have a go on our own", but couldn't expand on what that means.
 
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Well isn't May quite clearly doing that already? So they both ruin it but Corbyn is less of a cunt doing so, so win win
 
We've had seven and a half years of Tory government and they've got practically nothing (bar gay marriage) right. We currently have the most inept PM in living memory. I don't think you could conceivably get much worse. At least Labour wouldn't hit the worst off in society hardest.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
We've had seven and a half years of Tory government and they've got practically nothing (bar gay marriage) right. We currently have the most inept PM in living memory. I don't think you could conceivably get much worse. At least Labour wouldn't hit the worst off in society hardest.
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I don’t see it though. Low unemployment, wages increasing and the economy doing well.

Yes, the NHS, schools, etc. could be better, but I see that Corbyn would make them worse. His principles may be right but his ways of implementing them will eventually make those that he wants to protect ending up worse.
 
There are massive numbers in poverty and every policy is hitting them more.
 
Penk Wolf said:
I don’t see it though. Low unemployment, wages increasing and the economy doing well.

Yes, the NHS, schools, etc. could be better, but I see that Corbyn would make them worse. His principles may be right but his ways of implementing them will eventually make those that he wants to protect ending up worse.
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Hello Jack, you should vote Tory that's a classic outlook of someone who does.
 
Wage growth is below inflation and the overall stagnation in income and decline in living standards since the Tories came in is the worst for generations. People are earning less in real terms now than they were a decade ago. Employment figures are ridiculously massaged as people are forced into self-employment that doesn't pay or deeply insecure non-contract work, plus anyone deemed ineligible for JSA under a brutal sanctions regime is also not deemed to be unemployed. The economy is the worst performing in the G7 and getting worse. Yes, worse than Italy.

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None of this is good work. Their economic policy has been an absolute disaster. No ideas on how to change it either, just more of the same.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
There are massive numbers in poverty and every policy is hitting them more.
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I don't think people dispute that. This current lot are awful as people and are a throwback to a Victorian era. Corbyn and Momentum will only be good for their supporters, I've never seen such a vociferous bunch of nasty people like this, not even UKIP and that's a low bar.

It would be a disaster for the economy at a time when the current government are trying to fuck up Brexit, Corbyn would send the economy into a tailspin it would take decades to recover from. A period of Nationalisation we can't afford just because that's his politics would be short sighted at best and cataclysmic at worst.
 
1% wage increases when inflation is higher isn't a wage increase... The Conservatives have shat on the country as a whole for the last 7 years and are only in it for themselves with the NHS suffering along with many other workers yet the rail companies stick another 3.8% price hike for tickets for trains that are over crowded, dirty and often late. That'll be foreign owed rail companies who then milk the profit away to run the rail networks in their own countries on time and for a fraction of the price
 
darlowolf64 said:
1% wage increases when inflation is higher isn't a wage increase... The Conservatives have shat on the country as a whole for the last 7 years and are only in it for themselves with the NHS suffering along with many other workers yet the rail companies stick another 3.8% price hike for tickets for trains that are over crowded, dirty and often late. That'll be foreign owed rail companies who then milk the profit away to run the rail networks in their own countries on time and for a fraction of the price
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I remember as you do the old BR trains and they were everything you've described and more. They were disgusting and I think privatisation has only been good for the rail network. Yes there needs to be more done and it isn't perfect but it's a damn sight better than it was when nationalised.
 
darlowolf64 said:
1% wage increases when inflation is higher isn't a wage increase... The Conservatives have shat on the country as a whole for the last 7 years and are only in it for themselves with the NHS suffering along with many other workers yet the rail companies stick another 3.8% price hike for tickets for trains that are over crowded, dirty and often late. That'll be foreign owed rail companies who then milk the profit away to run the rail networks in their own countries on time and for a fraction of the price
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1% wage increase is very diluted due to the public sector pay freeze. Employments pretty much at zero if you take out those that can’t work and those that won’t work, so there is plenty of opportunities for those if they’re not happy with the private sector.

Minimum wage goes up by 4.5% in April, so even those on the lowest wage have an increase well above the 1% quoted.
 
If we control our own borders shouldn't we need to control our own energy and infrastructure to ensure that we can't be held to ransom by foreign owned companies?
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Wage growth is below inflation and the overall stagnation in income and decline in living standards since the Tories came in is the worst for generations. People are earning less in real terms now than they were a decade ago. Employment figures are ridiculously massaged as people are forced into self-employment that doesn't pay or deeply insecure non-contract work, plus anyone deemed ineligible for JSA under a brutal sanctions regime is also not deemed to be unemployed. The economy is the worst performing in the G7 and getting worse. Yes, worse than Italy.

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None of this is good work. Their economic policy has been an absolute disaster. No ideas on how to change it either, just more of the same.
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GDP needs to be split into sectors to see the real picture. Poor retail is the main contributor due to people listening to the press and worrying about Brexit. Why the BoE thought it was a good idea to put up interest rates when retail is slow is beyond me.
 
Wages are not increasing, can we nip that one in the bud right now.

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Penk Wolf said:
1% wage increase is very diluted due to the public sector pay freeze. Employments pretty much at zero if you take out those that can’t work and those that won’t work, so there is plenty of opportunities for those if they’re not happy with the private sector.

Minimum wage goes up by 4.5% in April, so even those on the lowest wage have an increase well above the 1% quoted.
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Unemployment is low because people are forced to take whatever work they can under the punitive benefits system this lot have brought in. Someone who works 10 hours a week on an as and when basis at Sports Direct isn't unemployed, neither is someone who drives a van taking Amazon parcels for a pittance, undercutting each other and making next to nothing
 
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