REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD
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Its never safe....but we all do it
Hereford Wolf
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I haven't commented on this thread but I am very disappointed today. I have a lot of thoughts but I am going to keep it simple.
I think the Labour Leadership have a lot to answer for. Corbyn didn't really want to stay and his lack of enthusiasm rubbed off on Labour voters.
Labour voters fell into the trap of blaming immigrants for all their woes instead of the bankers and the Torys. The Conservative Brexit camp must of been delighted at this.
There is no doubt that a lot of the Brexit voters have no idea how much Europe does to protect them in terms of employment law. They will regret it.
The money that is not paid to the EU will not go to hospitals or regenerating projects - that much is certain. False promises which people will only begin to see through in a few years time.
Economically, we will see unemployment rise substantially over the next few years because of this. Of course, we will still not want to do the menial work that the the Eastern Europeans came over to do. That means issues (to name just a few areas) in the NHS, Care Homes and in Herefordshire - Fruit Picking. Mrs HW worked in the Job Centre for many years - do the British unemployed want to pick fruit? Do they fuck.
Boris Johnson as PM? He is a buffoon and has no status or respect. Did anyone see the front page of a French newspaper this morning with Boris hanging from a high wire waving a Union Jack? The headline was - 'GOOD LUCK'.
Labour need to ditch JC, find a leader who is respected and will lead the party out of darkness - such as Chuka Amunna or Dan Jarvis. They then may have a chance of kicking the Tory's out at the next election.
I fear we are a very divided society today where people find it acceptable to say things and blame and accuse without reason or fact. it does not bode well.
I think the Labour Leadership have a lot to answer for. Corbyn didn't really want to stay and his lack of enthusiasm rubbed off on Labour voters.
Labour voters fell into the trap of blaming immigrants for all their woes instead of the bankers and the Torys. The Conservative Brexit camp must of been delighted at this.
There is no doubt that a lot of the Brexit voters have no idea how much Europe does to protect them in terms of employment law. They will regret it.
The money that is not paid to the EU will not go to hospitals or regenerating projects - that much is certain. False promises which people will only begin to see through in a few years time.
Economically, we will see unemployment rise substantially over the next few years because of this. Of course, we will still not want to do the menial work that the the Eastern Europeans came over to do. That means issues (to name just a few areas) in the NHS, Care Homes and in Herefordshire - Fruit Picking. Mrs HW worked in the Job Centre for many years - do the British unemployed want to pick fruit? Do they fuck.
Boris Johnson as PM? He is a buffoon and has no status or respect. Did anyone see the front page of a French newspaper this morning with Boris hanging from a high wire waving a Union Jack? The headline was - 'GOOD LUCK'.
Labour need to ditch JC, find a leader who is respected and will lead the party out of darkness - such as Chuka Amunna or Dan Jarvis. They then may have a chance of kicking the Tory's out at the next election.
I fear we are a very divided society today where people find it acceptable to say things and blame and accuse without reason or fact. it does not bode well.
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My mate works for Lichfield Council and he heard at work that here were people ringing up the council on Friday to ask if they could change their vote.
I'm willing to bet a lot of the anti-immigration idiots have absolutely no idea what they actually voted for.
I'm willing to bet a lot of the anti-immigration idiots have absolutely no idea what they actually voted for.
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It's ludicrous, isn't it. The very idea that you would dick around with your vote and choose the option you don't really believe in, in a vote which is more important than a General Election given the permanent consequences, all so you can give a bit of a kicking to a Government we could have booted out a year ago but instead chose to believe their chicanery and obfuscation on the economy...I mean why would you even think that was a good plan?
We're a 'relatively' wealthy nation and we're still a 'player'. They want our money ....
Globalisation has ' happened ' since Suez.
We still trade globally. The EU also has to reform without us. Won't happen overnight.
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Yeah seen that as well. Apparently a lot of people couldn't believe it after Farage spoke with Piers Morgan (where is a sniper with 2 bullets when you need one) about the 350m stuff and wanted to change their vote because they felt they had been lied to.
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If only they could have done about two seconds of research before voting and found that the £350m figure for a start was a total lie.
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Yes, but with our trade deficit we want there money more. And they will know that.
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Quite. Apparently we send so many millions to the EU each day and it could be spent on the NHS instead. Both campaigns were very poor.
The BBC interviewed the folk of Dudley yesterday and it was cringworthy. The anti-immigrant mother of six children was delighted.
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The free movement is likely to be a biggie. Farage will be rubbing his hands with glee if they don't do something on that. I've seen it might be sold as 'free movement if a job offer' but no idea if that would work under a trade agreement or be 'acceptable' to the masses that voted on that point.
The £350m may not be as big but it's a definite number that's been promised so a little difficult if Boris and gang simply say no to. More likely they will say that's their intention subject to the economy being in a position to deliver it at the time. Whether a fudge like that is sufficient for those who care would depend upon the strength of the rest of their message. Also how aggressively challenged on it and how whoever defends it comes across.
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Sometimes it hits you, just how monumental this decision has been.
I've come to an understanding now, that what age the voter was, how rich or how poor he was, what colour or religion he was, doesn't matter. Only the result matters. It was one man one vote, we all new the rules.
It is true about broken promises, that's politics. We have to put things in to context, the proganda machine and power of the remain campaign, was the most formidable, possible.
I can understand the EU asking for a quick process of leaving. It is in their interest, as they want to make things as difficult as possible for us, to gain maximum benefit of our situation, of having to completely change our ways of doing things, in goverment. This is going to leave us disorientated for a short while, so any immediate agreements could benefit the EU and not the UK. They are looking after their interests. Also, they don't want to facilitate an easy path for us and would like for us to fall flat on our face, thus frightning, other potential referendums in other EU countries. We as a nation, have to look after our interests and pull together and get over the disappointment, which I can understand, from the remain camp. These people are very important in building a strong self sufficient UK, for our kids to grow up and flourish.
I never voted for a new government, I voted to leave the EU. Therefore, I don't think their should be new elections, but a new leader elected for the Conservative Party. I didn't vote for Boris or Farage to lead the Country, I voted to retain British sovereignty. I do believe the EU will change, if it doesn't it will disappear. They wouldn't have changed, without something a long the magnitude of out vote to leave. Maybe we were holding them back too. They might be able move towards a United States of Europe, centralised, with their own army, ect. Something we would never have accepted. We have had a difficult relationship with the EU, since we joined. We always wanted to be in a different type of EU, to what Germany and France wanted. The relationship is over now, I hope that it works out for both parties. Now is the time to build a prosperous, strong, tollerant nation, self sufficient and look forward to the future.
I've come to an understanding now, that what age the voter was, how rich or how poor he was, what colour or religion he was, doesn't matter. Only the result matters. It was one man one vote, we all new the rules.
It is true about broken promises, that's politics. We have to put things in to context, the proganda machine and power of the remain campaign, was the most formidable, possible.
I can understand the EU asking for a quick process of leaving. It is in their interest, as they want to make things as difficult as possible for us, to gain maximum benefit of our situation, of having to completely change our ways of doing things, in goverment. This is going to leave us disorientated for a short while, so any immediate agreements could benefit the EU and not the UK. They are looking after their interests. Also, they don't want to facilitate an easy path for us and would like for us to fall flat on our face, thus frightning, other potential referendums in other EU countries. We as a nation, have to look after our interests and pull together and get over the disappointment, which I can understand, from the remain camp. These people are very important in building a strong self sufficient UK, for our kids to grow up and flourish.
I never voted for a new government, I voted to leave the EU. Therefore, I don't think their should be new elections, but a new leader elected for the Conservative Party. I didn't vote for Boris or Farage to lead the Country, I voted to retain British sovereignty. I do believe the EU will change, if it doesn't it will disappear. They wouldn't have changed, without something a long the magnitude of out vote to leave. Maybe we were holding them back too. They might be able move towards a United States of Europe, centralised, with their own army, ect. Something we would never have accepted. We have had a difficult relationship with the EU, since we joined. We always wanted to be in a different type of EU, to what Germany and France wanted. The relationship is over now, I hope that it works out for both parties. Now is the time to build a prosperous, strong, tollerant nation, self sufficient and look forward to the future.
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Even if they did, £250m is still a huge amount.
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Give me 250m and its a fucking huge figure
Put it in Government spending and its like a 50p down the back of my sofa.
