REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Paddingtonwolf]

No, the majority of the voting public, democratically voted to leave the EU.

And 48.1% still hate the result. Get used to it. We aren't going away

 

[Penk Wolf]

I still don't know what we have to negotiate with?

I'm not sure it's so much about what we have to negotiate with it's more that we have a lot to other to other countries in the EU. Will companies in Eastern European Countries be happy if we start moving manufacturing UK? Will car manufacturers be happy if we can the same car out of the US with a 10% discount? Will Merc and BMW be happy if JLR have a 10% competitive edge? Will Merc and VW be happy if Ford have a competitive edge?

The more I see of it the more I think, if the EU want to cut their nose off to spite their face let them. We have far more opportunities without them than we do with them.

All that said, I agree with Deutsch, I think things may have been a little better/easier had we had better people in charge of the whole process.

 

[thehistorymakers]

And 48.1% still hate the result. Get used to it. We aren't going away

Would have thought a good proportion of the remainers, accept the result and want the best deal for the UK. It will be a very vociferous few, that want and support the EU to fuck over the UK.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

We just don't have any advantages Craig. If the banks go to Frankfurt or Paris we are completely screwed.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Would have thought a good proportion of the remainers, accept the result and want the best deal for the UK. It will be a very vociferous few, that want and support the EU to fuck over the UK.

Then you would be wrong

 

[thehistorymakers]

Why the $#@!ing hell do you think they should $#@! themselves up to respect a democratic decision in a country that now wants to divorce from them? Why?

Because it is the respectable thing to do. Ruling by fear and vengefulness, to keep your citizens in order, is what I would expect of North Korea or China, not from western democracies.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Then you would be wrong

Or you would be.

 

[thehistorymakers]

We just don't have any advantages Craig. If the banks go to Frankfurt or Paris we are completely screwed.

Be nice to start thinking of the 4.5 million working in poverty, not just the banks.

 

[AndyWolves]

We just don't have any advantages Craig. If the banks go to Frankfurt or Paris we are completely screwed.

This, so much this. I know bankers have a rubbish reputation but the south east of the UK pretty much drives the rest of the UK.

I don't know but I would guess our financial sector is orders of magnitude bigger than our manufacturing output

 

[AndyWolves]

Be nice to start thinking of the 4.5 million working in poverty, not just the banks.

So if the banks go and take their highly paid jobs with them how will the tax they generate be replaced?

Also, if people are working in poverty surely that's our own governments policy rather than EU policy? How will leaving the EU change circumstances for those people?

 

[leedswolf]

I'm not sure it's so much about what we have to negotiate with it's more that we have a lot to other to other countries in the EU. Will companies in Eastern European Countries be happy if we start moving manufacturing UK? Will car manufacturers be happy if we can the same car out of the US with a 10% discount? Will Merc and BMW be happy if JLR have a 10% competitive edge? Will Merc and VW be happy if Ford have a competitive edge?

The more I see of it the more I think, if the EU want to cut their nose off to spite their face let them. We have far more opportunities without them than we do with them.

All that said, I agree with Deutsch, I think things may have been a little better/easier had we had better people in charge of the whole process.

If anything we are the one who is cutting it's nose off to spite it's face.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Would have thought a good proportion of the remainers, accept the result and want the best deal for the UK. It will be a very vociferous few, that want and support the EU to fuck over the UK.

I've spoke to quite a few friends who run their own business and most of those that voted remain did so because they were happy with how their businesses are performing and didn't want to jeopardise that in the short term. Quite a few felt long term their business will be better off out of the EU.

 

[Penk Wolf]

We just don't have any advantages Craig. If the banks go to Frankfurt or Paris we are completely screwed.

Is there an advantage in the banks staying near to the most valuable stock exchange in Europe?

 

[thehistorymakers]

I've spoke to quite a few friends who run their own business and most of those that voted remain did so because they were happy with how their businesses are performing and didn't want to jeopardise that in the short term. Quite a few felt long term their business will be better off out of the EU.

I can understand their logical way of thinking.

 

[thehistorymakers]

If anything we are the one who is cutting it's nose off to spite it's face.

No, we made a democratic choice, it is the EU that is being vengeful and trying to punish us for voting to leave.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

OH for God's sake read what you are posting.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Is there an advantage in the banks staying near to the most valuable stock exchange in Europe?

No

 

[The Saturday Boy]

No, the majority of the voting public, democratically voted to leave the EU.

That's not what you said. But if you want to be completely accurate it was the majority of those who voted who advised the previous government that they wished to leave the EU.

 

[Johnny75]

This, so much this. I know bankers have a rubbish reputation but the south east of the UK pretty much drives the rest of the UK.

I don't know but I would guess our financial sector is orders of magnitude bigger than our manufacturing output

I think this is a problem akin to 'not affording the banks to fail'. Our infrastructure and economy isn't diverse enough and we need to reduce our reliance on financial institutions as they create absolutely nothing tangible for anybody. That isn't a good thing.

However, change would mean a massive change in thinking at government level and that isn't coming anytime soon. You could argue leaving the EU is the chance to do this. As DW and Penk have said I don't trust this lot one bit therefore we are far better off in the EU until we can get a government capable of change,

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

No, we made a democratic choice, it is the EU that is being vengeful and trying to punish us for voting to leave.

Have you forgotten that one of Mr Farage's stated aims was the complete destruction of the EU? Have you forgotten him going to the European Parliament and gloating about it all?

For sixty years European nations have been working together to build the EU (rightly or wrongly) whilst Mr Farage and his followers have set out, not to change it, nor to improve it, but to destroy it. Do you really think that in defending all that has been built to this day that they are being vengeful? Or are you just getting wound up because they will not bend over to the unreasonable demands from this island nation that has, ever since it entered the EU, always demanded more yet opted to participate in less and less.

Now that you have finally decided to leave, you stamp your feet and demand access to all that you had, but on your terms. The EU looks like it will say no and I'm quite happy with that, because I believe that the EU will be better off without a Britain that has only ever looked at the EU out of self-interest and whose divisive nature has only ever slowed Europe down.