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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Paddingtonwolf said:
So do the other side you buffoon.
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Unnecessary you sanctimonious PR**k

I guess when dealing with you its easier to play to your stereo type and just be a racist bigot.

You had the chance to show me where the treaty did not allow for my idea. You didn't or you couldn't and you called me a buffoon.

I leave you safe in the knowledge that brexit will happen and I am happy about it. Whatever the outcome. Purely because its pissed u off.
 
No new treaty. They are all still signed up to it.

Effectively our name gets crossed off the members list.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Because that's not what they want. Let me put Facts simply

Ireland north and south don't want a border
Ireland is an island
Border controls at points and airports exist
Ireland is unique north and south

I say look at the possibilities
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What of the people in Ireland that want to be part of the UK? Where do you consider them when you cut them off beyond your border control?

They'd be left in no man's land, your plan abandons them, it's completely unacceptable. It's these sort of issues that were completely ignored, or massively overlooked at best, by majority of Leave voters.
 
Penk Wolf said:
Would there need to be a new treaty when we leave or would it just be a case that as we are no longer part of the EU, borders to the UK would close?
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No new treaty as we will in effect withdraw.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
As we currently have at airport's for non EU nationals. Problem?
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1. We have to bear all the costs.
2. We have to introduce a system that assumes people coming from EU countries are economic migrants and screen all of them which won't go down well when we are trying to negotiate a trade deal with the EU who will quite likely be looking for as few restrictions as possible.
3. If we stop them exiting Northern Ireland where do we send them? Back to the republic? They would just cross the border again, maybe set up a Calais style camp just outside George Best Airport.

I agree, thinking outside the box is important - but you still have to deal with the fact that the box actually exists.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
No new treaty. They are all still signed up to it.

Effectively our name gets crossed off the members list.
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So basically, what 90% of what leavers voted for was never ever going to happen and in reality can't. What a bunch of incompetent dicks the remain campaigners were.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Not really. You have been impossibly dense for about three hours so I lost patience.
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But you did not show me where or why it was not possible according to the treaty you quoted. I know. Finding it is hard. I tried for a long while.

Shame we were not on opposite sides in a courtroom.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
1. We have to bear all the costs.
2. We have to introduce a system that assumes people coming from EU countries are economic migrants and screen all of them which won't go down well when we are trying to negotiate a trade deal with the EU who will quite likely be looking for as few restrictions as possible.
3. If we stop them exiting Northern Ireland where do we send them? Back to the republic? They would just cross the border again, maybe set up a Calais style camp just outside George Best Airport.

I agree, thinking outside the box is important - but you still have to deal with the fact that the box actually exists.
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You're right with costs. You may he right with the camp! Just because my idea may not work does not mean its against a treaty or should not be explored
 
Cyber-_-man said:
You're right with costs. You may he right with the camp! Just because my idea may not work does not mean its against a treaty or should not be explored
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The reasons for nipping it in the bud more like.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Oh go of **** yourself if you want to be rude.With an irish grandmother, dual nationality is available to me so get off your high feckin horse. Expain or tell me why a port border post brexit doesn't work?
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Dont be so fucking precious, I have no high horse to get off, couldnt get up on one for a start.

What do you expect when your spouting rubbish that clearly shows you have no idea what your talking about? Several posters have told you on here today that you idea is unworkable, nobody objects to flying kites for a reaction but when your told its wrong just accept it.

A port border would be a practical solution but its nowhere near that easy, it would be massively symbolic in Northern Ireland and one thing they are big on is their symbols.

I doubt it would make the slightest difference to you (or me for that matter) where I would have to show my passport, but when you are essentially moving the physical border from Newry to Stranraer/Heathrow etc. You are telling the people that probably hold the UK/Union/Britishness most dearly in the British Isles that they have to show a passport to get into their own country (ironically they were the ones who voted for Brexit) and they have the same rights and have to go through the same procedures as someone from Dublin with regards to getting into the UK. Tell you what, head over to East Belfast and put that suggestion to them and see how you get on.

Whilst no-one wants a trade border, some people in Northern Ireland still want a border, the Republic to them is a foreign country, they already have a siegelike mentality, what with the Catholic community catching them up numbers wise, Irish government talking of a unified Ireland and the feeling that London would quite happily be shot of them a long time ago if they got the chance, now their own Government is telling them that residents from a foreign country plus immigrants from various other countries can come into Northern Ireland unchallenged, but they have to show proof before they are even allowed into their own country! They are going to be a bit peeved and if history tells us anything they will do more then a few protest and petitions to show their indignation.

I dont know what is the best solution regarding the border because honestly there is no good solution, we will have to hope they find "the least worst option" and hopefully it doesnt piss too many people off and at the same time doesnt damage trade (should be nice and easy that).
 
Donegal Wolf said:
Dont be so $#@!ing precious, I have no high horse to get off, couldnt get up on one for a start.

What do you expect when your spouting rubbish that clearly shows you have no idea what your talking about? Several posters have told you on here today that you idea is unworkable, nobody objects to flying kites for a reaction but when your told its wrong just accept it.

A port border would be a practical solution but its nowhere near that easy, it would be massively symbolic in Northern Ireland and one thing they are big on is their symbols.

I doubt it would make the slightest difference to you (or me for that matter) where I would have to show my passport, but when you are essentially moving the physical border from Newry to Stranraer/Heathrow etc. You are telling the people that probably hold the UK/Union/Britishness most dearly in the British Isles that they have to show a passport to get into their own country (ironically they were the ones who voted for Brexit) and they have the same rights and have to go through the same procedures as someone from Dublin with regards to getting into the UK. Tell you what, head over to East Belfast and put that suggestion to them and see how you get on.

Whilst no-one wants a trade border, some people in Northern Ireland still want a border, the Republic to them is a foreign country, they already have a siegelike mentality, what with the Catholic community catching them up numbers wise, Irish government talking of a unified Ireland and the feeling that London would quite happily be shot of them a long time ago if they got the chance, now their own Government is telling them that residents from a foreign country plus immigrants from various other countries can come into Northern Ireland unchallenged, but they have to show proof before they are even allowed into their own country! They are going to be a bit peeved and if history tells us anything they will do more then a few protest and petitions to show their indignation.

I dont know what is the best solution regarding the border because honestly there is no good solution, we will have to hope they find "the least worst option" and hopefully it doesnt piss too many people off and at the same time doesnt damage trade (should be nice and easy that).
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I really could not see the issue of keeping the current system in as many ways as possible while protecting the mainland. Yes it would mean increased staffing etc but things can and do cost. NI voted to remain by the way. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36614443 hence why a compromise should be explored given the highly sensitive nature of relations North and South as you rightly say. Perhaps I was being a bit thick but I could not see why entry and exit points at airports and ports would not solve the issue with regard to illegal entry to the mainland.
The other options . United Ireland. That is going to piss off 1 million NI citizens. They are not called Loyalists for nothing.
Build a wall- never going to happen
Remain in the EU- not going to happen
Feel free to give another option

Something somewhere has to give and of the options some sort of increased port and airport control with an exemption on freedom of movement for Irish citizens in the UK seemed like a compromise and one that I cannot find a reason why it cannot happen in the relevant treaties as it is within the ethos of a free movement principal.

Apologies if I was brusque. I just wanted someone to to show that it was unlawful or against some EU constitution as I could not find it myself. No one did so I presume it could be explored.
Otherwise Northern Ireland scuppers brexit. You think 1 million pissed off people is bad. Wait to you get 17 million majority who voted for something that cannot happen because of logistics in Ireland.
 
So if Northern Ireland is this huge problem , best we start planning for Hadrian's wall then too.

I just think that Remainers are looking for absolutely any opportunity to scupper brexit and all that does is make Brexiteers even more dogmatic and determined and , ultimately less likely to compromise thereby pissing off a 16 million minority. Something you will recall, I as a brexiteer have been campaigning to avoid on here . I do find now that my attitude is hardening and I am getting more and more frustrated at the continual placing of "imovable barriers" . How the hell did Northern Ireland and Ireland manage to survive from 1922 to 1974 or even 1992 when free movement really happened? I get I am being very simplistic. I get there is costs. I get there are issues but there are issues with Brexit. My flippant " piece of piss" comes from the position why cant we go back to what it was pre freedom of movement and create some sort of workaround in Northern Ireland that is good for all. Surely Cameron thought about that when he agreed to a referendum? Imagine if it turns out that logistically we cannot leave the EU? Anarchy will ensue. Northern Ireland, Scotland and London were the only areas of the country who voted to remain. Every other area voted to leave. The highest percentage to vote leave , and this is very ironic was THE WEST MIDLANDS with almost 60% voting leave.

There is an interesting article on free movement of workers and citizens and I attach it here. Interestingly it also outlines the schenghen agreement and the fact that 3 countries signed up to it are not EU members. So there are opportunities for workarounds such as the transitional arrangements for Bulgaria and Romania. http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/free-movement-europe-past-and-present

Both sides of this have to realise pretty bloody quickly that there are no winners in a divorce, only degrees of losing.
 
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So from now on I urge all brexiters on this thread to answer questions with the following

"you will just have to wait and see and prepare for compromises"

Because actually folks that is the only answer anyone in any position can give at the moment with any degree of certainty.
 
For those of you who still need convincing the media really did influence brexit in the minds of many and we do have an issue with migrant criminality here, today the Cambridge News published Cambridgeshire Constabulary's top 7 wanted criminals.http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/top-7-most-wanted-cambridge-12755099 Remember Cambridge voted overwhelmingly as a city to Remain.

Just check out the names

Iuliana Gagea Fraud
Andrius Zekonis Damage
Jenna Skingsley Theft
Pedro Caetano Burglar
Artur Fredlin Burglar
Ion Dumitru Burglar
Robert Holder. Assault.

So 4 out of 7 have eastern european names/ connections, 1 appears mediterranean/ spanish and 2 appear to be British. Funny how people put 2 and 2 together and make 4 isnt it? "Freedom of movement to commit crime" is not on the pages of any treaty.
 
You with the sad eyes
Don't be discouraged
Oh I realize
Its hard to take courage
In a world full of people
You can lose sight of it all
And the darkness inside you
Can make you feel so small
And I see your true colours shining through,
I see your true colours thats why I left you,
so dont be afraid to let them show your
True colours are not beautiful Mr Junckers

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-no-...quit-eu-after-britain-eu-chief-juncker-2017-3

What a twat.

I quote from him "Half memberships and cherry-picking aren't possible. In Europe you eat what's on the table or you don't sit at the table,"

Exactly what my reasons were for voting out. Having not agreed to schenghen and having not gone down the euro route we did not wish to become the united states of europe thank you.

Keep it up Claude. You will soon turn 17 million into 20 million if you keep that rhetoric up. You muppet. You are playing right into the hands of the far right just before France Netherlands and Danish hold elections. The man has the arrogance of Nero and the political savvy of Marie Antoinette.
 
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