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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

The Netherlands held their elections on 15 March. Danish elections aren't due until June 2019 IIRC.
 
Should the brexiters be warned to be ready for compromise as well as those wishing to remain?
 
The Saturday Boy said:
https://www.ft.com/content/35dc3b9a-0d4f-11e7-b030-768954394623

By compromise what you actually mean is not what people voted for.
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There was never a road map or a list of definitions as to what brexit meant or would achieve. Its an even more damning indictment of the EU that 17 million voted leave without truly knowing what, when how ,if where or when leave would happen rather than remain with the EU they had, could see the direction and did not want to be part of. History will show that leave won not because it made such a great case rather remain made a poor one and the EU misjudged the mood. Just like Kinnock in 92. He should have been a shoe in there as well.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Should the brexiters be warned to be ready for compromise as well as those wishing to remain?
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Hell yes! Nothing should be ruled out except us leaving. That is nonnegotiable.

This is a crazy one off situation.Anything and everything goes just like any divorce. Some gains, some losses both sides take a hit and lawyers make money.

Try and be amicable and find solutions that can be palatable for all, hence my attempt re Ireland because the other options are less palatable

What we don't need is Claude initiating another whose got the biggest cock contest
 
I don't see how anybody could vote for something so life changing without knowing what they were going to do on the other side. Even a rough idea would have been good.

It paints people who voted Leave as possibly the most stupid people on earth.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
There was never a road map or a list of definitions as to what brexit meant or would achieve. Its an even more damning indictment of the EU that 17 million voted leave without truly knowing what, when how ,if where or when leave would happen rather than remain with the EU they had, could see the direction and did not want to be part of. History will show that leave won not because it made such a great case rather remain made a poor one and the EU misjudged the mood. Just like Kinnock in 92. He should have been a shoe in there as well.
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Revisionism right here.

The leave campaign(s) made all sorts of claims from staying in the single market to controlling our borders and all we are left with is deal or no deal waiting for the banker/junker to make us an offer.

So far the biggest player offering a trade deal is isolationist America and immigration won't reduce significantly.

Some compromise that is.
 
Donegal Wolf said:
Dont be so fucking precious, I have no high horse to get off, couldnt get up on one for a start.

What do you expect when your spouting rubbish that clearly shows you have no idea what your talking about? Several posters have told you on here today that you idea is unworkable, nobody objects to flying kites for a reaction but when your told its wrong just accept it.

A port border would be a practical solution but its nowhere near that easy, it would be massively symbolic in Northern Ireland and one thing they are big on is their symbols.

I doubt it would make the slightest difference to you (or me for that matter) where I would have to show my passport, but when you are essentially moving the physical border from Newry to Stranraer/Heathrow etc. You are telling the people that probably hold the UK/Union/Britishness most dearly in the British Isles that they have to show a passport to get into their own country (ironically they were the ones who voted for Brexit) and they have the same rights and have to go through the same procedures as someone from Dublin with regards to getting into the UK. Tell you what, head over to East Belfast and put that suggestion to them and see how you get on.

Whilst no-one wants a trade border, some people in Northern Ireland still want a border, the Republic to them is a foreign country, they already have a siegelike mentality, what with the Catholic community catching them up numbers wise, Irish government talking of a unified Ireland and the feeling that London would quite happily be shot of them a long time ago if they got the chance, now their own Government is telling them that residents from a foreign country plus immigrants from various other countries can come into Northern Ireland unchallenged, but they have to show proof before they are even allowed into their own country! They are going to be a bit peeved and if history tells us anything they will do more then a few protest and petitions to show their indignation.

I dont know what is the best solution regarding the border because honestly there is no good solution, we will have to hope they find "the least worst option" and hopefully it doesnt piss too many people off and at the same time doesnt damage trade (should be nice and easy that).
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Good post. And it points up the problem with modern populist politics - the proposing of black-and-white, piece-of-piss solutions to very complex issues. Now, it doesn't much matter that some people in this little outpost of the internet like to come up with these "solutions" but it seems that our elected representatives think that they're a good idea too - Trump's wall, May's grammar schools and all the other stuff that's seen as vote-winning and simple but will either prove impossible to enact (but will cause lots of damage up until that becomes clear) or might actually get through and be incredibly divisive and damaging.
 
Inflation, as measured by the Office for National Statistics' Consumer Price Index, jumped to 2.3% in February - up from 1.8% in January.
The rate is the highest since September 2013 and above the 2% target the Bank of England is charged with keeping inflation at.
Rising fuel and food prices were the main factors pushing inflation higher.
The Brexit vote last June prompted a steep fall in the value of the pound, making imported goods more expensive.

Great for the man in the street this Brexit is. Higher living costs with wage increases that won't keep pace with the rate of inflation. Who said that it hasn't had an impact on the economy?
 
Sniffer Grouse said:
Inflation, as measured by the Office for National Statistics' Consumer Price Index, jumped to 2.3% in February - up from 1.8% in January.
The rate is the highest since September 2013 and above the 2% target the Bank of England is charged with keeping inflation at.
Rising fuel and food prices were the main factors pushing inflation higher.
The Brexit vote last June prompted a steep fall in the value of the pound, making imported goods more expensive.

Great for the man in the street this Brexit is. Higher living costs with wage increases that won't keep pace with the rate of inflation. Who said that it hasn't had an impact on the economy?
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36956418
 
Sniffer Grouse said:
Inflation, as measured by the Office for National Statistics' Consumer Price Index, jumped to 2.3% in February - up from 1.8% in January.
The rate is the highest since September 2013 and above the 2% target the Bank of England is charged with keeping inflation at.
Rising fuel and food prices were the main factors pushing inflation higher.
The Brexit vote last June prompted a steep fall in the value of the pound, making imported goods more expensive.

Great for the man in the street this Brexit is. Higher living costs with wage increases that won't keep pace with the rate of inflation. Who said that it hasn't had an impact on the economy?
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Wrong. More scaremongering.

Petrol was ten pence a litre higher in 2014 when the Euro was roughly the same exchange rate as it is now. Inflation may have risen due to the increase in the minimum wage and tax threshold.
 
No it wasn't. Petrol was about 125p a litre (for diesel). It is 121 to 123 pence now.
 
Papper said:
Wrong. More scaremongering.

Petrol was ten pence a litre higher in 2014 when the Euro was roughly the same exchange rate as it is now. Inflation may have risen due to the increase in the minimum wage and tax threshold.
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Isn't inflation measured by comparing this year to last? if so what has 2014 got to do with the current inflation rate?
 
Cyber-_-man said:
For those of you who still need convincing the media really did influence brexit in the minds of many and we do have an issue with migrant criminality here, today the Cambridge News published Cambridgeshire Constabulary's top 7 wanted criminals.http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/top-7-most-wanted-cambridge-12755099 Remember Cambridge voted overwhelmingly as a city to Remain.

Just check out the names

Iuliana Gagea Fraud
Andrius Zekonis Damage
Jenna Skingsley Theft
Pedro Caetano Burglar
Artur Fredlin Burglar
Ion Dumitru Burglar
Robert Holder. Assault.

So 4 out of 7 have eastern european names/ connections, 1 appears mediterranean/ spanish and 2 appear to be British. Funny how people put 2 and 2 together and make 4 isnt it? "Freedom of movement to commit crime" is not on the pages of any treaty.
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I'm not surprised - although they are no different to anybody else. The difference being they are encouraged here and exploited to do the cheap labour that those in this country on welfare cannot be forced to do.
 
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