REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Freddeno]

It wasn't promised. The Leave campaign just made a lot of noise how £350m a week 'could' be spent on the NHS. We all knew that would never happen, especially as it was proved that the £350m figure was a lie.

Aah ok, i will stand corrected..badly reported by media overhere then

 

[Freddeno]

For crying out loud.

https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/746345810862940160

:icon_lol: i would get a brain if i were her

 

[Trips]

Whatever, it was promised before voting and taken back after

Oh absolutely. My point is how the hell can you put up posters and bus adverts clearly saying lets spend the £350m (which they also know isn't the correct figure) on the NHS and then pretty much half an hour after the result call it a mistake. No it wasn't Nigel, it was a lie plain and simple.

 

[Kenny]

It wasn't promised. The Leave campaign just made a lot of noise how £350m a week 'could' be spent on the NHS.

A lot of noise? They plastered it over a bus and ran a broadcast showing the NHS as it is (people dying from waiting) and how it would be (ill people smiling and dancing through A&E)

 

[Freddeno]

Oh absolutely. My point is how the hell can you put up posters and bus adverts clearly saying lets spend the £350m (which they also know isn't the correct figure) on the NHS and then pretty much half an hour after the result call it a mistake. No it wasn't Nigel, it was a lie plain and simple.

Yeah, must have got some votes from the people with iq under 80

 

[playtheace]

So you must see it isn't reasonable to lump the 'working class' together in a lump and conclude that they share your opinion, that the EU is responsible for all our current and historical ills and that we needed to leave at all costs, and we'll just take a bit of a flying leap on the consequences. I don't personally know more than two or three people who voted to Leave out of an extended circle of say, 300 odd friends and acquaintances. Now maybe I mix in the wrong circles, what with my aspirations to join the socialist elite and me having an 'education' which means I prefer to base my political decisions on 'logic' and 'facts' and 'reason'. But I don't think this has anything to do with the working man deciding to stand up for his rights (which ironically, were much better protected in the EU than they will be under our new UltraTory Government).

Just to counter this...sitting around at breaktime.

Dont busy myself with 300 folks but of the 23 at work all but 4 voted Out and those 4 didnt bother to vote.
Age range from early 20's to mid 60's and all working class of differing race and sex.
All earning way less than the so called average £30k a year (thats a laugh!)... try half of that.
Still havent come out of the last recession no matter whats said from the London media and havent had a
wage rise in 8 years but stopped with the company out of some sort of loyalty (however misguided)

Reasons for Out?..
"Try something different...cant be any worse than i am now"
I must say, no one seemed taken by either Farage or Johnson and wasnt the reason for voting...both are "knobheads"

Main reason was the thought that something "might" be done about immigration.
Now half of these live in and around Lye and have been having problems with Romanies for ages.
So theres an answer on a few voters however unscientific.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Oh absolutely. My point is how the hell can you put up posters and bus adverts clearly saying lets spend the £350m (which they also know isn't the correct figure) on the NHS and then pretty much half an hour after the result call it a mistake. No it wasn't Nigel, it was a lie plain and simple.

The £350m is the correct figure that is sent to the EU, but we had rebates to spend how it was decided by the 'EU committee'. So yes, in theory we could spend it on the NHS.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

A lot of noise? They plastered it over a bus and ran a broadcast showing the NHS as it is (people dying from waiting) and how it would be (ill people smiling and dancing through A&E)

Yeah, I may have put it a bit too politely. I'm too depressed to rant. The woman who works in my office (who voted leave) is doing her best to test me though "I don't think anything will change at all, we'll just have less immigrants coming into the country". FUCK OFF.

 

[Tredman]

This is the shit I'm seeing more and more off facebook and the like:

It makes me terrified about the type of country we are becoming

 

[thehistorymakers]

I don't think it's entirely serious. It's a petition set up by some random bloke, hardly a threat to democracy as we know it.

Your side won THM - have a glass of sangria and chill out for the day. At this rate you're going to become like one of those Japanese soldiers in the jungle, still fighting the second world war.

Hahaha very funny.

 

[Sniffer]

The £350m is the correct figure that is sent to the EU, but we had rebates to spend how it was decided by the 'EU committee'. So yes, in theory we could spend it on the NHS.

Will we not have to pay to have access to the European markets? Norway and Switzerland do.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Will we not have to pay to have access to the European markets? Norway and Switzerland do.

I think we'll find out over the next couple of years. Do China, USA, etc.?

 

[So Long Architect]

Will we not have to pay to have access to the European markets? Norway and Switzerland do.

Yeah, but we'll all get to vote personally on that, won't we? We'll never have any decisions taken by unelected bureaucrats (or "civil servants") ever again.

 

[thehistorymakers]

This is the $#@! I'm seeing more and more off facebook and the like:

It makes me terrified about the type of country we are becoming

Social media Tredman, don't take any notice of it. You will always get idiots, don't waste your time giving them a second thought.

 

[Tredman]

I think we'll find out over the next couple of years. Do China, USA, etc.?

Yes, but they do not get free trade access. And if they wanted they are in a much better bargaining position that us (even if we are the fifth sixth biggest economy in the world)

Edit - hmm, no strikethrough tags on here!

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

Social media Tredman, don't take any notice of it. You will always get idiots, don't waste your time giving them a second thought.

How can we not take any notice of the racist undertones to a lot of the anti-immigrant feelings in the country? I am certainly concerned about it.

 

[Sniffer]

I think we'll find out over the next couple of years. Do China, USA, etc.?

There are tariffs placed on the imports of goods from China and the US.

 

[Trips]

Can someone answer me a question, I'm sure I heard this today but can't remember where.

With regard to negotiating our trade deals now, is it correct that we can't start any negotiations with anyone (US, China etc) until we are actually out of the EU?

 

[Penk Wolf]

There are tariffs placed on the imports of goods from China and the US.

I think import duty will be a given. Potentially, it will also mean that some of the goods that we bring in from the EU may now be cheaper to produce in the UK.

 

[nimrod]

Just to counter this...sitting around at breaktime.

Dont busy myself with 300 folks but of the 23 at work all but 4 voted Out and those 4 didnt bother to vote.
Age range from early 20's to mid 60's and all working class of differing race and sex.
All earning way less than the so called average £30k a year (thats a laugh!)... try half of that.
Still havent come out of the last recession no matter whats said from the London media and havent had a
wage rise in 8 years but stopped with the company out of some sort of loyalty (however misguided)

Reasons for Out?..
"Try something different...cant be any worse than i am now"
I must say, no one seemed taken by either Farage or Johnson and wasnt the reason for voting...both are "knobheads"

Main reason was the thought that something "might" be done about immigration.
Now half of these live in and around Lye and have been having problems with Romanies for ages.
So theres an answer on a few voters however unscientific.

whether we like it or not, it's one of the main reasons for the result. i think many millions would have had it as a key issue, both in respect of existing and future.