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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Penk Wolf said:
I think import duty will be a given. Potentially, it will also mean that some of the goods that we bring in from the EU may now be cheaper to produce in the UK.
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Provided of course that we don't need to import materials from the EU to make them.
 
For me there is no sense of victory and no back-patting of any politician least of all Johnson and Farage. For me it was always a question of democracy

I hope somebody comes along who can make all of our lives better and maybe it's a pipe-dream but it's time people come first before the corporations.

I feel we are better placed to make change out of the EU although I feel there has been a massive backlash against the establishment.

Not sure where this leaves Corbyn - still not convinced he can manage the economy but I like the guy. He gives a damn about people.
 
Jolemai said:
Are you looking forward to the forthcoming Scottish referendum too?
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It will be interesting for sure, and fully accept their reasons for looking at one.
The issue for me and a lot of voters here are.

If UK Economy does well
If EU economy struggles
If the only way they can join is taking €
It will result in Border controls.

Having a referendum is far from certain, once the dust settles.
 
There is no border control between the North and the South in Ireland.
 
Penk Wolf said:
The £350m is the correct figure that is sent to the EU, but we had rebates to spend how it was decided by the 'EU committee'. So yes, in theory we could spend it on the NHS.
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The EU had no say at all on how the rebate was spent - how could they? They never saw the money - it was deducted at source.
 
i believe many people are going to be sorely disappointed by what a Brexit looks like in reality.

Access to the EU market is going to come with conditions, the free movement of labour has long been a central tenet of the EU market and I can't envisage the rest of the EU allowing Britain to get special treatment. Control of our borders will extend no further than giving us absolute autonomy over things like in work benefits, access to health care etc. As coming here for our benefits and our NHS is not a feature of EU workers chances are nothing will change.

We won't see the money that went to the EU making any noticeable difference to our economy - if it wasn't already obvious, it is now...it won't be spent on our NHS, our social care or anything else that could make a positive difference to the people of this country. If our economy tanks, it will be spent on an increased level of debt due to increased unemployment, higher benefit costs and lower taxation.

Many projects that only ever saw the light of day because of EU funding will not be realised in future. Take a good look at those posters everywhere that tell you that it was made possible due to EU funding (EU state funding). This is not the current government's priority and definitely won't be post Cameron.

It is not government that drives economies, it is business. The EU free market is a mechanism that enables the transactions of capitalism to be undertaken in a way that is efficient and profitable. That is why the project of globalisation concentrates on multi nation trade deals rather than country by country trade deals - see TTIP and deals like it. We are no longer a major player in the global market unless we align ourselves with a larger trading partner (the EU).

When the drama is over and our exit is achieved we will have free movement of labour, a trade deal with the EU that imposes rules and regulations on us (Norway, Switzerland, EFTA), 3 or 4 years of economic consequences to deal with and the U.K. potentially smaller.

For me, this was the right choice at the wrong time made for the wrong reasons.
 
Penk Wolf said:
There is no border control between the North and the South in Ireland.
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There may well not be, but there will be between England and Scotland, Immigration is not an issue in Ireland, it is in ENgland
 
Saw something about 1 or 2 this morning on TV, and a pro EU Welsh nationalist, who stated Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are all Deficit contributors to the EU, meaning they get more back than it costs them, England however iare Net Contributors.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
i believe many people are going to be sorely disappointed by what a Brexit looks like in reality.

Access to the EU market is going to come with conditions, the free movement of labour has long been a central tenet of the EU market and I can't envisage the rest of the EU allowing Britain to get special treatment. Control of our borders will extend no further than giving us absolute autonomy over things like in work benefits, access to health care etc. As coming here for our benefits and our NHS is not a feature of EU workers chances are nothing will change.

We won't see the money that went to the EU making any noticeable difference to our economy - if it wasn't already obvious, it is now...it won't be spent on our NHS, our social care or anything else that could make a positive difference to the people of this country. If our economy tanks, it will be spent on an increased level of debt due to increased unemployment, higher benefit costs and lower taxation.

Many projects that only ever saw the light of day because of EU funding will not be realised in future. Take a good look at those posters everywhere that tell you that it was made possible due to EU funding (EU state funding). This is not the current government's priority and definitely won't be post Cameron.

It is not government that drives economies, it is business. The EU free market is a mechanism that enables the transactions of capitalism to be undertaken in a way that is efficient and profitable. That is why the project of globalisation concentrates on multi nation trade deals rather than country by country trade deals - see TTIP and deals like it. We are no longer a major player in the global market unless we align ourselves with a larger trading partner (the EU).

When the drama is over and our exit is achieved we will have free movement of labour, a trade deal with the EU that imposes rules and regulations on us (Norway, Switzerland, EFTA), 3 or 4 years of economic consequences to deal with and the U.K. potentially smaller.

For me, this was the right choice at the wrong time made for the wrong reasons.
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TTIP being not applicable in the UK, is the biggest reason for voting leave.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
i believe many people are going to be sorely disappointed by what a Brexit looks like in reality.

Access to the EU market is going to come with conditions, the free movement of labour has long been a central tenet of the EU market and I can't envisage the rest of the EU allowing Britain to get special treatment. Control of our borders will extend no further than giving us absolute autonomy over things like in work benefits, access to health care etc. As coming here for our benefits and our NHS is not a feature of EU workers chances are nothing will change.

We won't see the money that went to the EU making any noticeable difference to our economy - if it wasn't already obvious, it is now...it won't be spent on our NHS, our social care or anything else that could make a positive difference to the people of this country. If our economy tanks, it will be spent on an increased level of debt due to increased unemployment, higher benefit costs and lower taxation.

Many projects that only ever saw the light of day because of EU funding will not be realised in future. Take a good look at those posters everywhere that tell you that it was made possible due to EU funding (EU state funding). This is not the current government's priority and definitely won't be post Cameron.

It is not government that drives economies, it is business. The EU free market is a mechanism that enables the transactions of capitalism to be undertaken in a way that is efficient and profitable. That is why the project of globalisation concentrates on multi nation trade deals rather than country by country trade deals - see TTIP and deals like it. We are no longer a major player in the global market unless we align ourselves with a larger trading partner (the EU).

When the drama is over and our exit is achieved we will have free movement of labour, a trade deal with the EU that imposes rules and regulations on us (Norway, Switzerland, EFTA), 3 or 4 years of economic consequences to deal with and the U.K. potentially smaller.

For me, this was the right choice at the wrong time made for the wrong reasons.
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i just can't see how this can be agreed to given how critical that issue has been in this referendum. i'm not saying it won't happen but it would be a complete u-turn on what brexit is about and be seen in a treacherous way.
 
Penk Wolf said:
So, £250m then?
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About £190m, put a 5% trade tariff on that and it's absolutely blown away. Don't put the tariff on and pay the same amount back in anyway and you get the status quo without the ability to influence from inside....bravo
 
HaveIGotNewsForYou ‏@haveigotnews 2m2 minutes ago

Leave voters hail defeat of undemocratic EU, whilst looking forward to having no say in appointment of next Prime Minister.
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Tony Towner said:
About £190m, put a 5% trade tariff on that and it's absolutely blown away. Don't put the tariff on and pay the same amount back in anyway and you get the status quo without the ability to influence from inside....bravo
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The £190m is taking off the farmers subsidy, etc.

The rest is assuming what might happen and tariffs will be paid by business and individuals not by Government.
 
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