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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

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Excellent. Might steal that.
 
And I've just seen May on Sky News saying "politics is not a game". From the woman who made Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary.

Piece of work.
 
Can't say it comes as a shock, it'll still be a very narrow vote again that'll cause huge division, remember how vile things got weeks leading up to the indyref.
SNP will seriously have to look at their campaign and concentrate on policies as oppose to some of arrogant bile that was spouted 3 years ago.
2018 seems very early and surely Scotland would need some reassurance from EU etc prior to the vote.
This could also lead to some real uncertain economic times leading into this vote and even more so if the vote is yes.
If I lived north of the border I don't think I'd have the stomach for another one of theses.
 
Commons reject both Lords amendments to Brexit Bill. So no meaningful vote on terms on deal, and also no guaranteeing rights of EU nationals currently in the UK.

On with May's plan of playing political football with people's lives, truly detestable.
 
Not much to get excited about here - the lords will now pass the brexit bill, so that's sorted - and Scotland would reject independence again, so not much dramatic there either. Apart from sturgeon whinging for two years before it happens anyway...
 
Trips said:
Commons reject both Lords amendments to Brexit Bill. So no meaningful vote on terms on deal, and also no guaranteeing rights of EU nationals currently in the UK.

On with May's plan of playing political football with people's lives, truly detestable.
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How's it playing political football with people's lives? The eu agrees to allow brits to stay in the Eu, those Europeans get to stay here. I notice no-ones spouting off about the eu playing political football with British people's lives...
 
Premier Quality said:
How's it playing political football with people's lives? The eu agrees to allow brits to stay in the Eu, those Europeans get to stay here. I notice no-ones spouting off about the eu playing political football with British people's lives...
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It isn't the EU kicking us out though is it. It's us choosing to leave the EU. The onus is on our PM to say EU nationals already here can stay, and the EU will follow suit with Brits abroad. What May is doing is refusing to comment on their status because in her mind that will weaken her negotiating position with the EU. For what it's worth, I think people will be allowed to stay, but by not confirming it the government are creating unnecessary uncertainty for people, purely for their political gain, which is wrong.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
It's a bit of a silly game on both sides. Neither side has the will to be repatriating people - it looks awful, it has some truly horrible echoes of regimes from the past and it would cost silly amounts of money to administer. The problem is that these folk in charge treat people's actual lives like it's a game, they throw out atrocious metaphors about poker when the lot of them couldn't do a deal at a car boot sale in reality.

As before I would say the onus is on us to blink first being as we're the ones who've caused this situation, for better or worse. May's had months and months just to make this simple step and she refuses to do it. It's appalling stuff from an appalling woman. I wouldn't especially defend the EU either on the matter because whether we should be taking the first step or not, it's still not a very good attitude and I hope they reciprocate quickly (assuming the Commons don't bat this straight back to the Lords and say 'no', which would be even more appalling).
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What I said two weeks ago, nothing has changed. Except the Commons doing exactly what I hoped they wouldn't, lickspittles that they are.
 
Premier Quality said:
How's it playing political football with people's lives? The eu agrees to allow brits to stay in the Eu, those Europeans get to stay here. I notice no-ones spouting off about the eu playing political football with British people's lives...
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If your employer asked you to sign an amendment to your contract giving him the right to sack you whenever he felt like it, but assured you he wouldn't do that, would you trust him and sign on the dotted line?

All the Lords asked was that the government commit to not deporting EU nationals. Shouldn't those people be nervous at the government's unwillingness to do so?
 
Premier Quality said:
How's it playing political football with people's lives? The eu agrees to allow brits to stay in the Eu, those Europeans get to stay here. I notice no-ones spouting off about the eu playing political football with British people's lives...
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Uncertainty. It creates tension. I've mentioned her before but my mates girlfriend is Spanish - worked here over 20 years, got 2 kids with him. They're having to consider options at the moment on the basis she might have to leave. I agree it's unlikely she'll have to leave but unlike our govt some people deem it prudent to make back up plans in case the worst happens. They shouldn't have to.
 
The government offered to sort out the rights of both sets before triggering the official exit - putting the issue at rest for both U.K. And European citizens in Each other's territories. The eu said no - but it's the uk that's playing football with peoples lives? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

The desperation on here to blame the government for anything and everything is a tad pathetic. There loads you can criticise them for - the legal challenges, the lack of updating parliament in advance for example - but this isn't one of them. If the eu refuses to guarantee the rights of our citizens why on earth would we do the same for them, and then hope they don't charge us extra when the negotiations begin?
 
Because it's a decent humane thing to do.

And then I remember who's in charge.

Not everything is about the bottom line, something Tories never understand.
 
Premier Quality said:
The government offered to sort out the rights of both sets before triggering the official exit - putting the issue at rest for both U.K. And European citizens in Each other's territories. The eu said no - but it's the uk that's playing football with peoples lives? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

The desperation on here to blame the government for anything and everything is a tad pathetic. There loads you can criticise them for - the legal challenges, the lack of updating parliament in advance for example - but this isn't one of them. If the eu refuses to guarantee the rights of our citizens why on earth would we do the same for them, and then hope they don't charge us extra when the negotiations begin?
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It doesn't mean both sides aren't behaving like fucking arse holes does it? Fuck all to do with bargaining chips, both sides are playing with people and that's reprehensible. If you're ok with that then I find that an appalling attitude and unfortunately a symptom of the I'm alright Jack culture we have now.
 
Clegg had it right in the Commons today, I'm not sure which dreadful amateur psychology books the clowns in charge have been reading but the people that matter on the EU side of things aren't going to be intimidated by this pathetic posturing. It shows the Government up as weak if anything. Empty threats, tub thumping rhetoric, no content. They'll tell us to fuck off regarding everything the way it's going and rightly so, our strategy is a disaster.

If anyone could point out three things the Government/May have got right so far regarding the approach to Brexit, let me know. They've had nearly nine months so you would think it wouldn't be too hard to pick out examples, however small. Good luck on getting a third of the way into that task.
 
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