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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Donegal Wolf said:
Could well be

but I remember 20 odd years ago when everybody started using computers at work on a regular basis, we were told we would soon have paperless offices and spend most of our life enjoying ourselves, as thanks to the laptop, we would only need to work about 20 hours a week, before retiring at 55.

Load of shite that turned out to be....
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Well, our office is paperless... Certainly won't be retiring any time soon, though. Might be made obsolete though.
 
I love how every email in our company gets sent with a warning about printing but when it comes to tender settlement meetings everyone prints of stacks of stuff to spread around the table and go through things, then 90% of it gets chucked in the bin when the meeting is finished.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
I love how every email in our company gets sent with a warning about printing but when it comes to tender settlement meetings everyone prints of stacks of stuff to spread around the table and go through things, then 90% of it gets chucked in the bin when the meeting is finished.
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I can never understand that, buy a projector and a white board, buy an interactive white board even. Seems barmy to me.
 
Yeah. It's the same with training media. I will gladly email you a copy of my presentation instead of printing the slides.
 
Johnny75 said:
I can never understand that, buy a projector and a white board, buy an interactive white board even. Seems barmy to me.
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Quite, it's not like you'd even have to change the style of the meeting into some sort of formal presentation, it'd just be an easier way for the whole group to view things and you could just print one copy for yourself if necessary to scribble down any notes/changes rather than have to try and make them on screen as they happen.

Plenty of other old fashioned nonsense still rocking round this place though so can't see it changing anytime soon.
 
I used to love challenging people in meetings who did that. Everything I dealt with had a protectively marked warning so every sheet of paper had to be accounted for at the end of the meetings. After 2 or 3 challenges and late finishes counting paper the projector and encrypted memory stick were the media of choice. Success!
 
When I worked in estimating there'd always be some absolute mook who'd print out the entire 200 page spec on a job. We don't need the electrical and plumbing pages pal, we don't do that. We need the four pages in the middle of the document.
 
It will never be that way for FTSE Boards. Printed Board packs and you have to keep one of each meeting as part of company records. Paper-tastic.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
When I worked in estimating there'd always be some absolute mook who'd print out the entire 200 page spec on a job. We don't need the electrical and plumbing pages pal, we don't do that. We need the four pages in the middle of the document.
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We had a right game with that sort of nonsense a couple of years ago.

Big job we were pricing, 5 buildings on the site split between two different architects and all manner of different shit going on with them, usually our enquiries get sent out to the trades with the relevant drawings/spec for what they're pricing but such was the wealth of information our estimators couldn't be arsed to sort it all out, so just sent every sub-contractor a link to the entire project directory and let them fend for themselves. Unsurprisingly our response rate was very low as no-one could be arsed to search through thousands of drawings to find the 3-4 that were relevant to pricing some niche product that occured twice in the whole job.
 
When I arrived at this company every single email was printed out and every single translation job got printed out for review. Loads of technical manuals of hundreds of pages printed out daily, all single-sided, then binned. The amount of waste was incredible. The concept that the computer would store those emails for later reference or that what could be read on paper could just as easily be read on the screen seemed completely alien.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
I think if you've had a 30+ year political and media narrative that greed is good, it's every man for himself, there's no such thing as society...then you get a selfish population. We see it now in voting patterns, we see it with the frankly ludicrous reaction to welfare claimants - penny to a pound if you find a story on a newspaper's website about food banks, the comments will include some questioning whether people go there for freebies so they can splurge their cash on fags and booze (absolute bollocks btw) - social responsibility is not part of the UK's makeup at the moment. Which I find very sad but that's where we are.

People at the top of the tree in this country invariably care about the bottom line and nothing else. Employees are hired hands who should be grateful they've got a job at all and if they happen to be collateral damage, well then that's just life.
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I think you need to differentiate between a benefit culture that emerged and the original intention of the welfare state. I would point to resentment which is entirely understandable for those who work hard to keep their heads above water and see others who don't work on much the same level. That isn't a fair system, it doesn't incentivise and creates an underclass. If society is about sharing and contributing then those that CAN but DON'T are not contributing - they are alienating themselves from it. It works both ways ..
 
The Saturday Boy said:
http://neweconomics.org/2017/03/115...ive-biggest-firms/?_sft_latest=press-releases

A budget for shareholders not workers?
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Sadly, this is the way the country is heading and the fine detail is hidden. This is the sort of stuff that Corbyn needs to address because he'd win votes. There should be absolutely no profit motive attached to any of this. We have a potential timebomb on our hands in twenty/thirty years with successive generations unable to build up a fund sufficient enough to look after them when they retire.
 
So this is the big week for brexit. May threatens ,the lords rebel, blah blah. I am confused though. The lords want protection for those from the EU who have lived and worked in the UK for a period of time. Forgive me but is that not also the criteria for applying for British citizenship? In which case, apply, become a British citizen and stay. I may have completely over simplified this, however.........

https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen/check-if-you-can-apply
 
MARKakaJIM said:
Quite, it's not like you'd even have to change the style of the meeting into some sort of formal presentation, it'd just be an easier way for the whole group to view things and you could just print one copy for yourself if necessary to scribble down any notes/changes rather than have to try and make them on screen as they happen.

Plenty of other old fashioned nonsense still rocking round this place though so can't see it changing anytime soon.
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Solicitors are the worst.
 
We've recently transitioned to a 'Modern Office'.

We ditched 600 desktop machines, gave everyone laptops, put a docking station on each desk, and ditched 90% of our big meeting rooms (which typically seated 20, but because we have a dearth of meeting spaces they were often booked by two people as nowhere else was available). We rebuilt those spaces as small 'pods' seating up to 4 people (again, with docking spaces), and also made them unbookable - so no-one ends up booking an hour slot for a ten minute catch up.

Now teams can jump in and have 10 minute ad-hoc catchups with their laptops so they can share things (you'll often, strange as it sounds, have people sat next to each other also in a sykpe meeting so they can screen share etc), and it works really well.

I havent had to print anything in weeks.
 
Didn't realise docking stations were still a thing 😋
 
I say docing stations - they're more like a USB-C dongle thing with ethernet, HDMI, USB etc
 
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