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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Strange, I was think more of the plural of a word that encompassed a thing that is pealed and an alternative to finish.
 
Johnny75 said:
Good that means nobody will hit the report button and I won't get banned......again.
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First time ever! You've made me laugh out loud !

Got it bell end! Good one! I like a riddle. But halfway down my Thursday bottle of JD I get a little slow. The weekend starts here BTW for me. I don't do it every night! I don't agree with much of what you spout and vice versa but I don't want to see you banned unless you overstep the line. This doesnt! Its funny. You can still be a bit of a charlie uniform November tango at times but I can live with that
 
Right back to the thread. I will need a little time to sort the wish list. No laptop to type and 400 mils of JD mean tonight is not gonna happen!
 
Here we go. A brief wish list. Probably pie in the sky but you have to start somewhere

Brexit negotiations a wishlist


So in response to the request here , as a leave voter , is my wish list for the brexit negotiations.

Trade
Much has been made of trade agreements and I am confident that they will be negotiated with commonwealth countries and the USA. Given the fact we import more from the EU than we export I am not getting hung up on tariffs. While we may not have access to the single market it will cost them more than us to be overly punitive.

Energy
Two areas to look at. The licensing of fracking for the North east and North west of the UK and the Swedish use of burning rubbish in power stations. Given our landfill issues that could be a good way forward. I would research fracking and if safe , licence it. That could be happening while negotiations for brexit are ongoing. We need to be more reliant on our own energy. The swedish power station style option would also assist. Any social housing new builds to have solar energy built in to keep costs down.

Immigration control
Free movement to end. Work permit to be granted if and when employment is offered same as the rest of the world. New tax rate of 25% for the first 3 years of work for non British citizens up to 40k. 45% over that sum. No tax for under 11.5k as current for UK citizen. Rules for benefits to remain. Exemption in status to be granted to Irish citizens. A border there is pointless. The additional tax raised goes to help the health service to support any increases. ESTA type database to be set up and all persons entering the country have to register their details before travelling like the USA. Only DNA bio passports are allowed.

Subsidies
Farmers rely of EU subsidies and where possible these would be maintained but not for set aside. Those lands set aside would be used to grow crops that we currently import. The subsidy would be paid to give that business a kick start. We no longer have to worry about over production of food in the EU and we can monitor our crops just as well if not better

Fisheries
We supply from British waters a huge percentage of the EU fish.As quotas will no longer apply Govt sponsorship of ports to re introduce a fishing industry in Grimsby Hull The south west and the east coasts. Big campaign to back British fish. Partnership with Norway to ensure that another non EU country is not disadvantaged

Animal Welfare
Trade agreement with New Zealand to include British welfare standards to be applied to lamb from NZ. Transportation of animals to slaughter must be the minimum distance possible to remove stress and suffering. All eggs free range. Ban on halal killing. Ban on veal crates.

Workers rights
These should follow the current guidelines. They work , why change them. There is enough on the countries plate

Human Rights
Again why change something that is not broken but monitor how it is effectively working.

Scotland- Get the agreement of the EU of how and what a proposal for an independent Scotland would look like and what the implications are much like Vis was advocating for the current round of talks. Then put the proposal to the people and see if they vote for it knowing what its going to mean and cost.

Crime and punishment- Prison sentences for foreign criminals to include deportation for serious crimes Why should we pay for their incarceration? Send them home and revoke their visa,
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Here we go. A brief wish list. Probably pie in the sky but you have to start somewhere

Brexit negotiations a wishlist


So in response to the request here , as a leave voter , is my wish list for the brexit negotiations.

Trade
Much has been made of trade agreements and I am confident that they will be negotiated with commonwealth countries and the USA. Given the fact we import more from the EU than we export I am not getting hung up on tariffs. While we may not have access to the single market it will cost them more than us to be overly punitive.

Energy
Two areas to look at. The licensing of fracking for the North east and North west of the UK and the Swedish use of burning rubbish in power stations. Given our landfill issues that could be a good way forward. I would research fracking and if safe , licence it. That could be happening while negotiations for brexit are ongoing. We need to be more reliant on our own energy. The swedish power station style option would also assist. Any social housing new builds to have solar energy built in to keep costs down.

Immigration control
Free movement to end. Work permit to be granted if and when employment is offered same as the rest of the world. New tax rate of 25% for the first 3 years of work for non British citizens up to 40k. 45% over that sum. No tax for under 11.5k as current for UK citizen. Rules for benefits to remain. Exemption in status to be granted to Irish citizens. A border there is pointless. The additional tax raised goes to help the health service to support any increases. ESTA type database to be set up and all persons entering the country have to register their details before travelling like the USA. Only DNA bio passports are allowed.

Subsidies
Farmers rely of EU subsidies and where possible these would be maintained but not for set aside. Those lands set aside would be used to grow crops that we currently import. The subsidy would be paid to give that business a kick start. We no longer have to worry about over production of food in the EU and we can monitor our crops just as well if not better

Fisheries
We supply from British waters a huge percentage of the EU fish.As quotas will no longer apply Govt sponsorship of ports to re introduce a fishing industry in Grimsby Hull The south west and the east coasts. Big campaign to back British fish. Partnership with Norway to ensure that another non EU country is not disadvantaged

Animal Welfare
Trade agreement with New Zealand to include British welfare standards to be applied to lamb from NZ. Transportation of animals to slaughter must be the minimum distance possible to remove stress and suffering. All eggs free range. Ban on halal killing. Ban on veal crates.

Workers rights
These should follow the current guidelines. They work , why change them. There is enough on the countries plate

Human Rights
Again why change something that is not broken but monitor how it is effectively working.

Scotland- Get the agreement of the EU of how and what a proposal for an independent Scotland would look like and what the implications are much like Vis was advocating for the current round of talks. Then put the proposal to the people and see if they vote for it knowing what its going to mean and cost.

Crime and punishment- Prison sentences for foreign criminals to include deportation for serious crimes Why should we pay for their incarceration? Send them home and revoke their visa,
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Some good points there Cyber I'd like to come back to you tomorrow, but cheers for putting your head on the block.
 
ProgWolf said:
Next week actually. Surely no-one is going to take offence at that are they Johnny ?
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To change the subject and not rise your simple attempt at goading, do you have a plan like Cyber? And are you going to discuss it as an adult?
 
Johnny75 said:
To change the subject and not rise your simple attempt at goading, do you have a plan like Cyber? And are you going to discuss it as an adult?
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I honestly wasn't trying to goad anyone Johnny, I think I just have a childish sense of humour. I like to think that my posts up til then were sensible and adult. I don't think I'm intelligent enough to come up with a 'plan' as such, (then again neither are our MP's) but I do have reasons as to why I think we will be better off, on the whole, once we leave. I need to sit down and set out these reason carefully but I really off to France on Saturday for a whole week (if they will let me in of course), so I will try and do it tomorrow.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Here we go. A brief wish list. Probably pie in the sky but you have to start somewhere

Brexit negotiations a wishlist


So in response to the request here , as a leave voter , is my wish list for the brexit negotiations.

Trade
Much has been made of trade agreements and I am confident that they will be negotiated with commonwealth countries and the USA. Given the fact we import more from the EU than we export I am not getting hung up on tariffs. While we may not have access to the single market it will cost them more than us to be overly punitive.

Energy
Two areas to look at. The licensing of fracking for the North east and North west of the UK and the Swedish use of burning rubbish in power stations. Given our landfill issues that could be a good way forward. I would research fracking and if safe , licence it. That could be happening while negotiations for brexit are ongoing. We need to be more reliant on our own energy. The swedish power station style option would also assist. Any social housing new builds to have solar energy built in to keep costs down.

Immigration control
Free movement to end. Work permit to be granted if and when employment is offered same as the rest of the world. New tax rate of 25% for the first 3 years of work for non British citizens up to 40k. 45% over that sum. No tax for under 11.5k as current for UK citizen. Rules for benefits to remain. Exemption in status to be granted to Irish citizens. A border there is pointless. The additional tax raised goes to help the health service to support any increases. ESTA type database to be set up and all persons entering the country have to register their details before travelling like the USA. Only DNA bio passports are allowed.

Subsidies
Farmers rely of EU subsidies and where possible these would be maintained but not for set aside. Those lands set aside would be used to grow crops that we currently import. The subsidy would be paid to give that business a kick start. We no longer have to worry about over production of food in the EU and we can monitor our crops just as well if not better

Fisheries
We supply from British waters a huge percentage of the EU fish.As quotas will no longer apply Govt sponsorship of ports to re introduce a fishing industry in Grimsby Hull The south west and the east coasts. Big campaign to back British fish. Partnership with Norway to ensure that another non EU country is not disadvantaged

Animal Welfare
Trade agreement with New Zealand to include British welfare standards to be applied to lamb from NZ. Transportation of animals to slaughter must be the minimum distance possible to remove stress and suffering. All eggs free range. Ban on halal killing. Ban on veal crates.

Workers rights
These should follow the current guidelines. They work , why change them. There is enough on the countries plate

Human Rights
Again why change something that is not broken but monitor how it is effectively working.

Scotland- Get the agreement of the EU of how and what a proposal for an independent Scotland would look like and what the implications are much like Vis was advocating for the current round of talks. Then put the proposal to the people and see if they vote for it knowing what its going to mean and cost.

Crime and punishment- Prison sentences for foreign criminals to include deportation for serious crimes Why should we pay for their incarceration? Send them home and revoke their visa,
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Great post cyber. Literally the first time I've seen a leave voter articulate a plan/wishlist on here or anywhere that wasn't just "Take back control"

Will get back to this tomorrow when I've had chance to have a proper read through to challenge a couple of points, but some good/thoughtful ideas in there.
 
Fishing

If we left the EU it wouldn’t necessarily mean that the situation would improve. The House of Commons Library has said that “many of the underlying issues that affect fisheries management would remain unchanged.”

The UK is signed up to the UN Law of the Sea Convention which allows countries to establish an Exclusive Economic Zone of up to 200 nautical miles from their coast. If the UK were to leave the EU we could have control of all fish which were within this zone. But, the same laws also require countries to ensure that fish stocks are conserved and that the allowable catch is specified and where necessary shared with other countries.
 
leedswolf said:
Fishing

If we left the EU it wouldn’t necessarily mean that the situation would improve. The House of Commons Library has said that “many of the underlying issues that affect fisheries management would remain unchanged.”

The UK is signed up to the UN Law of the Sea Convention which allows countries to establish an Exclusive Economic Zone of up to 200 nautical miles from their coast. If the UK were to leave the EU we could have control of all fish which were within this zone. But, the same laws also require countries to ensure that fish stocks are conserved and that the allowable catch is specified and where necessary shared with other countries.
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I agree but stock's are improving and the best waters are the British waters. We might have to share the allowable catch but the detail means our boats , not theirs can do the catching. It is certainly an area I would be exploring while negotiations are on going.even if it creates a small industry in the north east and south west it could be a real kick start to their economy. The underlying reasoning to my post or at least part of it was to stop the UK being so London centric. Tracking while controversial at present IF and ONLY it can be seen to be as safe as oil drilling or coal mining will create a massive industry akin to the oil boom only lasting longer. Given that around 60% of the shale gas is found in the north east and northwest, both areas that have struggled since we cut back the coal industry the improvement to the economy there would be phenomenal. Given the proximity to Scotland it would also help put to rest the notion of Scottish independence. The new jobs created would be in the thousands.
 
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