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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

So Long Architect said:
I agree that mudslinging and name-calling isn't the way to go, but I disagree that we shouldn't look at the "why"?

For the majority of people, this hasn't been about the EU (because in reality only a very few people ever gave that much thought), it's about the massive divide that has arisen in our society between rich and poor, north and south etc. People are very angry and disillusioned with Westminster politics, the "elites", immigration generally. I disagree fundamentally with nearly everything THM has ever said, ever, but I do think he's right about the fundamental anger of the "working class".

I'm of the opinion that leaving the EU won't solve those issues and will actually exacerbate them but that doesn't matter now.

If the nation generally and politicians in particular don't address the fundamental issues that have led to people being so very angry - so dealing with the WHY - then we do risk a slide into an even more divided, intolerant and unpleasant society.
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Agree completely.
Spoke with a german academic this morning, as I wanted to get a non-UK perspective. Our hour long chat was to wide ranging to paraphrase here, however one thing that resonated was the perception by many brits, is that the british way of life, what it is to be british, british values etc are perceived to be under threat, or at risk owing to the phenomenal pace of change, as well as owing to immigration. His view was that because of these perceived threats, immigration became such a huge issue for people who are tolerant, not racist or bigoted, and generally/usually have values similar to EU principles.
 
Speaking to a few of my colleagues from our European offices this morning, most of them are obviously very sad we've gone down this road, but they say the tensions that have been shown up here are mirrored in their own countries.
 
Ok, on reflection, what have my 9 & 7 yr old Grandaughters got to look forward to?
 
That's not what she said SLA. Sturgeon said she'd spoken to Khan on independence for both London and Scotland. Her words not mine.

And why should London get special treatment in negotiations?

And people wonder why the country is divided with this sort of unhelpful bollocks. London is part of and the same as the rest of the UK and the sooner Londoners realise that the better it will be for the UK.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
Perhaps, or at least naivety for some. There's plenty in the media banging on about how this that and the other are the fault of the EU or immigrants and if people just take that at face value then you can see how they'd be easily lead, I'd imagine from my sister's point of view she probably didn't care a great deal either way but the almost constant whinging from her husband would've swayed her to vote leave. I'd have thought they might have been bit more cautious being just a few weeks into their first mortgage, the deposit for which came entirely from family members as they had zero savings of their own, and they've got a child on the way so their income is going to take a big plunge anyway for a good while, it doesn't seem like a position that's well set to deal with such a gamble if it doesn't pay off.

Looking things selfishly, I was hoping I could perhaps have bought my own place by the end of the year, I'm not sure that looks such a wise decision now, banks are surely going to be a lot more picky with their lending, house prices will likely go a bit mental and until they settle down it doesn't seem a great time to buy, not that I'd consider myself anything like an expert, and with their being at least 2 years until any breakaway actually happens then who knows when things will actually settle down, how long are my plans likely to be delayed?
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/homes-holidays-jobs-what-does-brexit-mean-for-you

"Henry Pryor, a respected independent property market expert, took to Twitter this morning to predict that UK house prices will fall by 15%, with transaction volumes down by 20%, while at KPMG they are predicting a 5% fall in prices across the regions."

Probably best to wait.

In other good news...

“For overseas buyers, a big drop in the value of sterling will effectively offset the stamp duty and tax adjustments, and make prime London property a lucrative investment,” he said. “Dollar-based Middle East and Asian investors in particular will look at short-term buying opportunities in central London.”

That will be awesome for the working class in London.
 
I need to remortgage in December. That'll be me fucked then.
 
I do think there will be europe wide ramifications. This is difficult for the EU too.
ISTR that during the scotland referendum the EU advised they would not accept scotland as a member nation. Whether that changes or not I don't know.

There are nations that are more euro-sceptic than we are/were. France and Holland to name 2. Marie le pen has already jumped all over this result, and other european parties will also do similar.

It is quite likely that the heads of the EU will be encouraging other nations to hold off on a referendum, advising they observe and see how it pans out for the UK for a while - specifically for the markets.
 
Jolemai said:
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Boris, Trump, and Putin - well there's a trifecta in utter scumballism.
 
Apparently a coup attempt was launched against Corbyn during the shadow cabinet meeting today.
 
ROVERT47 said:
Ok, on reflection, what have my 9 & 7 yr old Grandaughters got to look forward to?
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Green fields, cheaper houses, more chance of work, we will have to train our own people to do jobs instead leaving working people on the scrapheap and employing cheap immigrant labour. Less traffic and i hope higher living standards.
 
Moved into first house with the misses last Friday, house prices are therefore what concern me the most in the short to medium term. We were planning to overpay on the mortgage anyway but may well have to up the monthly amount now so that hopefully we don't find ourselves well and truly up shit creek in five years time. I imagine many others in a similar position will do the same, can't be good for the economy surely?

As an aside, the next time the other halfs parents (both of whom voted out) mention the possibility of babies to me in the future, I might have to bite my tongue.
 
thehistorymakers said:
Green fields, cheaper houses, more chance of work, we will have to train our own people to do jobs instead leaving working people on the scrapheap and employing cheap immigrant labour. Less traffic and i hope higher living standards.
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and teenage boys........
 
thehistorymakers said:
Green fields, cheaper houses, more chance of work, we will have to train our own people to do jobs instead leaving working people on the scrapheap and employing cheap immigrant labour. Less traffic and i hope higher living standards.
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Sounds good to me, no doubt a return of Mrs Dales Diary, Bobbies on bicycles, vast swathes of chimneys with smoke pouring out too.
Can't wait.
 
Anyone else suspect we'll have to engage in further Quantative Easing as a result?

EDIT - apparently S&P have said we'll lose our coveted top credit rating too.
 
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