REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Paddingtonwolf]

Hmmmm

Bungling Boris the figure of fun, even with the mayoralty in London was limited in his power.

I worry about him wielding real political power. I may be wrong, but I think he is of rather limited intelligence and is so gaffe-prone it defies realistic belief.

If it looks like Boris is heading to number 10 then Labour need to pick a really promising upcoming leader way before the electoral campaign as a proper heavyweight could deliver a comfortable victory.

So saying that, I think Boris is a short-term solution that would actually reinforce the damage within the Conservative party. Some other candidate will need to be found.

 

[Penk Wolf]

I'm nearly 63 and voted to remain, we aren't all bigots.

So everyone over 55 who voted out are bigots? Hmm!

 

[darlowolf64]

Really? After the predictable fall in the UK markets and of the £, you don't want them all to recover and the Country to grow stronger?

I want my £ to be worth more than 1$ or 1e

Clearly misunderstood what you were saying Nimrod..

 

[nimrod]

Ah - maybe I am barking up the wrong tree in my indignation then. Carry on sir, and I apologise if I have misunderstood you.

my excuse is that my language has to be so stilted in the business arena that i'm freer to let loose here.

the additional point would be that whether people like it or not, farage was important to this result and part of his "campaign" is that the City does not work for the "working man" and that Government cosies up to the City. so it isn't unreasonable to suggest that the continuation of the same (even if for overall prosperity you think it right) without the trickle down that has simply not been happening will be absolutely seen by many as sucking up to the City.

 

[thehistorymakers]

It isn't a win for the far right. Not really. Especially when you consider that the key votes have come from the heartlands of a left of centre party. Something very odd there, but I will leave finding out exactly what to electoral analysts.

You are presumably following the Spanish coverage fairly closely this morning. Bar that "far right claim" is there anything else that they are saying about what is going on? Any reaction from the Spanish government (bar trying to reclaim Gibraltar that I have already seen)?

They are very busy with their own elections, this Sunday. However, they have already started to talk about the extra money that will have to be found,, that the UK, won't have to pay and how much extra Spain will have to pay.

 

[broughtonwolf]

Very poignant - where is that taken from out of interest?

 

[Jolemai]

It isn't a win for the far right. Not really. Especially when you consider that the key votes have come from the heartlands of a left of centre party. Something very odd there, but I will leave finding out exactly what to electoral analysts.

Could it be just a simple as wanting to get rid of Cameron?

 

[machin05]

It was a comment on the FT website apparently. It was retweeted a few times on my Twitter feed so unsure of the original source.

 

[nimrod]

Clearly misunderstood what you were saying Nimrod..

most people do

 

[Parkins left foot]

The three major reasons people voted No last time:

NO said that Scotland would not be able to re-enter the EU. That was blatantly bullshit then, it's bullshit now.

No clear answer from YES over the currency. We've got our answer now, we'll have the Euro thanks.

The vow made by NO on the eve of the referendum. The overwhelming majority up here feel that they were lied to regarding that vow, there had been calls for a second referendum on this point alone.

Scotland will be an independent country within 3-4 years IMO. I think our first act should be to dig a ditch along the border and cast you poor buggers out into the channel.

Whilst you may turn out to be right re independance I would have my doubts as to whether it will bring the benefits that you might think - no guarantee that the Euro will be there by that time as I don't consider that its problems are over.

As to ditch digging - this merely cuts everyone adrift & I would hope that this vote does not encourage a 'cut off my nose to spite my face' attitude from any party affected

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

I am too dismayed to say much about the result at the moment. My overwhelming feelings are sadness and anger that the country felt it had to vote this way. I don't know anybody else in my workplace who voted in and all I have heard this morning are conversations slagging off immigrants and people being really pleased with themselves that they have contributed to the leave side winning.

I am also annoyed that it came to this in the first place. I personally don't think we should have had this referendum, and I would have said that even if the side I voted for had won. Of all the countries who signed up to join the EU, I dont know why we feel so special that we had to have a referendum. If there was to be a referendum then the MPs should have voted on it. They are the people we elect to make our decisions. For such a massive decision, it shouldn't have been left in the hands of people who on the whole didn't really understand anything about the EU (and I include people on both sides of the debate in that).

 

[machin05]

It was a comment on the FT website apparently. It was retweeted a few times on my Twitter feed so unsure of the original source.

Original tweet - https://twitter.com/MarcusRomer/status/746262772019773441

 

[Johnny75]

Could it be just a simple as wanting to get rid of Cameron?

Then that would be as stupid a thing to do as I've ever seen. Cameron is clearly left of what will become leader and what would changing Cameron achieve.

I also think it is incredibly short sighted if you think it is about party politics.

 

[Sniffer]

I like Boris, and having successfully run London for eight years, he has far more experience than anyone else around. I'd be happy for him to get it.

Yeah I like Boris the man sacked for making up a story in a newspaper column or Boris the man who lied to his Conservative Party leader about an affair that he was having followed by another sacking or Boris the man who was willing to give the address of a journalist to a friend so that he can have his ribs broken and get beaten up.

A shoe in for the job as our next leader.

 

[machin05]

I am too dismayed to say much about the result at the moment. My overwhelming feelings are sadness and anger that the country felt it had to vote this way. I don't know anybody else in my workplace who voted in and all I have heard this morning are conversations slagging off immigrants and people being really pleased with themselves that they have contributed to the leave side winning.

I am also annoyed that it came to this in the first place. I personally don't think we should have had this referendum, and I would have said that even if the side I voted for had won. Of all the countries who signed up to join the EU, I dont know why we feel so special that we had to have a referendum. If there was to be a referendum then the MPs should have voted on it. They are the people we elect to make our decisions. For such a massive decision, it shouldn't have been left in the hands of people who on the whole didn't really understand anything about the EU (and I include people on both sides of the debate in that).

Yep, this is all on that dishface cunt, Cameron. We can start hating him again now.

 

[So Long Architect]

Then that would be as stupid a thing to do as I've ever seen. Cameron is clearly left of what will become leader and what would changing Cameron achieve.

I also think it is incredibly short sighted if you think it is about party politics.

Not about party politics for the people who voted, very much about party politics for the people at the top of the Tory party.

 

[Jolemai]

Then that would be as stupid a thing to do as I've ever seen. Cameron is clearly left of what will become leader and what would changing Cameron achieve.

I also think it is incredibly short sighted if you think it is about party politics.

I never said that was my viewpoint and agree completely that it is incredibly short sighted.

Based on the amount of people who voted leave that are cheering Cameron's resignation on social media, I wouldn't be surprised if some people voted this way. That's all.

 

[Langers]

I also think it is incredibly short sighted if you think it is about party politics.

Unfortunately, that's exactly what it's been about for Johnson.

Just seen on Twitter that some people who voted leave now regret it! https://twitter.com/LauraTopham/status/746260604936200192

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Could it be just a simple as wanting to get rid of Cameron?

I think it may well have been. The analysts probably want to dig into that. I also think it was a big rejection of Jeremy Corbyn's approach. He was too luke-warm to effectively lead his party's vote on this issue.

Probably a mix of those two. The Remain Campaign really was poor to the point of incompetence. Heads have started to roll with Cameron and he won't be the only one. Osbourne is clearly destroyed from a credibility point of view. If he limps on and tries to deliver that budget he will get voted down and that is political suicide. The cabinet and shadow cabinet could see some very significant changes.

I am not sure Corbyn can last the day.

 

[Kenny]

I also think it was a big rejection of Jeremy Corbyn's approach. He was too luke-warm to effectively lead his party's vote on this issue.

I think he wanted to stand on the side of leave.....hence his luke warm stance on remain. He put aside his own views to carry the big majority of his own Party. I think he is closer to what Labour voters want and a million miles away from what Labour MP's want.