REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[thehistorymakers]

Annoying when people make stuff up isn't it.

An intelligent man thinks outside the box you said and then say I am not thinking outside the box. I think I can take from that you might be questioning my intelligence

No, I'm questioning your fairness and your impartiality. You are quite intelligent, but you are not thinking out of the box, which you are capable of. Which is the disappointing thing here.
There are posters that always follow other posters, who clearly don't think for themselves, who follow party guidelines, or newspapers editorial political indoctrination, which you don't normally do.
It would be nice for someone who voted remain, just to accept defeat, say that it was fair and say that politicians should respect that the majority of people have voted to leave the EU. To want the best for the UK and it's citizens , to live in a fair just and prosperous country outside the EU.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Nothing would make me happier for Brexit to work out for everyone, for Britain to remain an open and tolerant country while we prosper economically and prove conclusively that the EU was holding us back all these years.

It isn't going to happen though and I prefer not to live in an asinine dreamworld.

 

[So Long Architect]

No, I'm questioning your fairness and your impartiality. You are quite intelligent, but you are not thinking out of the box, which you are capable of. Which is the disappointing thing here.
There are posters that always follow other posters, who clearly don't think for themselves, who follow party guidelines, or newspapers editorial political indoctrination, which you don't normally do.
It would be nice for someone who voted remain, just to accept defeat, say that it was fair and say that politicians should respect that the majority of people have voted to leave the EU. To want the best for the UK and it's citizens , to live in a fair just and prosperous country outside the EU.

So all you want is for everyone to do exactly as you want? Or you'll keep banging on about it endlessly for years and years.

I never really understood what the phrase "the more things change the more they stay the same" meant before.

 

[thehistorymakers]

So all you want is for everyone to do exactly as you want? Or you'll keep banging on about it endlessly for years and years.

I never really understood what the phrase "the more things change the more they stay the same" meant before.

No, I want people to except the democratic result of the referendum and not think their vote is more worthy than someone who voted the opposite. To accept that parliament voted by 6 to 1, to give us a vote to remain or leave the EU and not to look for loopholes to try to delay or to try to stop us leaving the EU. I believe any politician who voted in favour for the referendum to leave or stay in the EU, should accept the result of the referendum and vote to enact article 50.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

No, I'm questioning your fairness and your impartiality. You are quite intelligent, but you are not thinking out of the box, which you are capable of. Which is the disappointing thing here.
There are posters that always follow other posters, who clearly don't think for themselves, who follow party guidelines, or newspapers editorial political indoctrination, which you don't normally do.
It would be nice for someone who voted remain, just to accept defeat, say that it was fair and say that politicians should respect that the majority of people have voted to leave the EU. To want the best for the UK and it's citizens , to live in a fair just and prosperous country outside the EU.

Hahaha. Lol.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Nothing would make me happier for Brexit to work out for everyone, for Britain to remain an open and tolerant country while we prosper economically and prove conclusively that the EU was holding us back all these years.

It isn't going to happen though and I prefer not to live in an asinine dreamworld.

Then that is why we live in a parliamentary democracy. You vote for a party that represents your views.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I do, thanks.

This is what you want from Remain voters:

To want the best for the UK and it's citizens , to live in a fair just and prosperous country outside the EU.

Yeah, I want that. I want Nouha Dicko and Jon Dadi Bodvarsson to bang in 20 goals apiece between now and the end of the season too. Not going to happen though so I won't waste my time wishing for that when all the empirical evidence suggests that it's effectively impossible.

We're now in a situation where Theresa May is prioritising an anti-immigration stance to the detriment of everything else while herself "not respecting democracy" so I'm afraid I'm not just going to let that lie.

 

[So Long Architect]

No, I want people to except the democratic result of the referendum and not think their vote is more worthy than someone who voted the opposite. To accept that parliament voted by 6 to 1, to give us a vote to remain or leave the EU and not to look for loopholes to try to delay or to try to stop us leaving the EU. I believe any politician who voted in favour for the referendum to leave or stay in the EU, should accept the result of the referendum and vote to enact article 50.

What you're asking is that people don't state views that are contrary to your own.

 

[Trips]

No, I want people to except the democratic result of the referendum and not think their vote is more worthy than someone who voted the opposite. To accept that parliament voted by 6 to 1, to give us a vote to remain or leave the EU and not to look for loopholes to try to delay or to try to stop us leaving the EU. I believe any politician who voted in favour for the referendum to leave or stay in the EU, should accept the result of the referendum and vote to enact article 50.

The vast majority of people on here seem to have accepted the result. I voted remain, I was disappointed with the result and still am, but I accept the leave vote won, and also accept that we will be leaving the EU. I may be being presumptuous, but I'm guessing most on this forum are the same.

However, what is wrong with it being debated in Parliament, and making sure we get the right deal and conditions before triggering article 50, rather than just hit the button and deal with it later?

 

[thehistorymakers]

The vast majority of people on here seem to have accepted the result. I voted remain, I was disappointed with the result and still am, but I accept the leave vote won, and also accept that we will be leaving the EU. I may be being presumptuous, but I'm guessing most on this forum are the same.

However, what is wrong with it being debated in Parliament, and making sure we get the right deal and conditions before triggering article 50, rather than just hit the button and deal with it later?

We are not meant to be doing deals until we enact article 50, so the sooner it is enacted the better.

 

[thehistorymakers]

What you're asking is that people don't state views that are contrary to your own.

No, I am asking that the result to leave is accepted and as parliament voted by 6 to 1 to give us the vote, they should now vote to respect our decision and enact article 50.

 

[Johnny75]

We are not meant to be doing deals until we enact article 50, so the sooner it is enacted the better.

You can't sign any deal before you leave. As for not entering any discussions, I believe you voted against interference from the EU so why are you concerned about when people strike up talks on trade deals?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

But why would you vote to say do something when it is utterly unclear what that something is, so the later (preferably the 23rd of Never) Article 50 is enacted the better. Then we can keep the perfectly satisfactory status quo.

 

[Johnny75]

No, I am asking that the result to leave is accepted and as parliament voted by 6 to 1 to give us the vote, they should now vote to respect our decision and enact article 50.

So all of those that are pissed off with leaving should just crawl away quietly?

 

[Trips]

We are not meant to be doing deals until we enact article 50, so the sooner it is enacted the better.

Do you seriously believe we have no discussions with anyone? I would bet good money May and Trump have discussed trade deal between us already. As stated, we can't sign anything but I'm pretty sure some discussions will have taken place.

 

[visage]

Indeed. Given that there is a hard deadline of 2 years post notification, it seems vital that we have clarity on what we are going to ask for in negotiations - and surely parliament should be able to scrutinise the governments approach?

 

[thehistorymakers]

You can't sign any deal before you leave. As for not entering any discussions, I believe you voted against interference from the EU so why are you concerned about when people strike up talks on trade deals?

I am not concerned about entering trade discussions at anytime and yes I did vote against EU interference, I believe you voted for EU interference against the interests of our sovereign parliament?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Indeed. Given that there is a hard deadline of 2 years post notification, it seems vital that we have clarity on what we are going to ask for in negotiations - and surely parliament should be able to scrutinise the governments approach?

Not respecting democracy IMO/IMV. Best to let Theresa May who didn't even win a vote in an internal leadership contest to do whatever she wants.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

What the same sovereign parliament that you don't want to have a say?

 

[thehistorymakers]

Indeed. Given that there is a hard deadline of 2 years post notification, it seems vital that we have clarity on what we are going to ask for in negotiations - and surely parliament should be able to scrutinise the governments approach?

We voted to leave the EU. That means taking back control of our own laws, own borders and our own sovereignty.
That is what we will do, and we would like to stay in the single market, but the EU have said we won't be able to. So if we remain in the single market, we will lose our sovereignty by default. The EU are saying you can stay in the single market , but you can't control your own laws, borders or sovereignty. So we will control our sovereignty, which is what we voted for, after all, that is what leaving the EU means, regaining sovereign control and being represented by people who you vote for, not by people you don't vote for.
We will be left to make the best trade deals on an individual basis, not because we necessarily want that, but because that is the threat from the EU. Trade with us and we will control your laws, borders and sovereignty. We voted to break that yoke, to regain parliamentary democracy. That is why I disagree with leave voters now, wanting the EU to be tough on the UK, not only did you vote against our direct sovereignty, you keep supporting an EU which is openly trying to punish the UK.