REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[lemonjelly]

You didn't answer my question the other day. You're very selective about what you reply to, and to be honest the best thing out of the referendum has been not having to see your vile racist bullshit full of assumptions, stereotypes and so on.

People on the other side?

Do you mean the people who can't see a doctor for 2 weeks?

This is a general problem with the NHS and GP systems, and nothing to do with the EU. Leaving the EU will not resolve the difficulties getting a GP appt.

the people who can't get a job in their local factory, where hundreds of eastern Europeans are employed?

A concrete example please. I know you won't, as you're a liar and make stuff up, as well as a fraudster. Amber Rudd made the same kind of comment about her own constituency. The employers there came out publicly and refuted her claims. So again, evidence please...

the people, who can't get on the housing ladder as prices in the south of England are rocketing up?

Again, what has that to do with the EU? It is related solely to the lack of any distinct housing policy by any government since 1980, and the sell off of council houses with not a single penny being re-invested in housing.

do you mean the people who can't get on the housing list because they don't and will never have enough points,

The points based system for housing allocation was removed country wide through 2006-7. No local authority or housing association allocates housing based on points. All now have Choice Based Lettings systems.So your arguement is out of date as well as wrong. And again, it is the system, not the EU that is an issue.

whilst refugees are put straight into to new housing developments?

Well, no-one from the EU will be a refugee, so you're showing your true racist colours here scumbag. Perhaps you ought to learn a lot more about the distinction between a refugee and an asylum seeker too, as well as an EU migrant. And perhaps you ought to explore the Habitual Residence Test, and perhaps you ought to explore how come you have to be eligible for housing under UK law in order to be rehoused. And perhaps you ought to stop believing the daily mail.

Do you mean the majority of the UK, that the comfortable middle class ignored and didn't care about before the referendum?

Clearly people DO care! But this part says more about you and your generalisations than anything else.

What you and the remainers are worried about, is yourselves and the establishment. You might have to suffer in the short term and you are blaming the people you have ignored and looked down up on for too long.

You love making generalisations don't you? You consistently lump all remainers as being the same. In EXACTLY the same way you lump all immigrants in the same way, as well as numerous other groups of people. Indeed, you never see them as people, merely as stereotypes. And the vast majority of "remainers" as you label them are very much not establishment people. All you do is highlight your ignorance, again.

I always said before the referendum," Open your door and look around you".

You didn't and now you expect sympathy as you you blame the very people you didn't give a fuck about.

Welcome to the party. Be nice if you lot cared as much about your country 's people and your country, instead of unelected EU commisioners.

No, I blame uneducated, ignorant, predomenantly racist stereotyping fuckwits who never did and still don't understand what the vote was about. I blame the fucking cunt that cameron is for being a weak and insipid leader who gambled on the referendum to garnber control over his party and lost. I blame farage and his predomenantly racist followers. I blame a weak media who allowed a debate to be framed in terms that had NOTHING to do with the EU.

I don't give a fuck about people like you. Liars, xenophobes, distorters of the truth, offensive stereotypers with the over inflated sense of self who laud their own personal superiority, then play the victim card all the time after stating they fraudulently claim EU grants then start boo-hooing when others bring it up and constantly say they didn't say that.

I'm glad you're not in the UK. But at least in spain you can have the freedoms and rights you don't want us to have eh? So lets add hypocrite to the list.

 

[machin05]

Awesome post LJ!

 

[Kenny]

If LJ didn't push his PC on the floor after hitting submit and then walk off (kicking a cat on the way) then that post will lose some of its awesomeness

 

[machin05]

 

[Jolemai]

You bastard, I was about to post that very gif! :icon_lol:

 

[machin05]

:icon_lol: Sorry man.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

As excellent as LJ's response is, he's just wasting his time trying to explain these things to THM. He only chooses to hear what he wants to push his agenda (or his wumming depending on how you want to take it, I'd opt for the latter).

 

[Johnny75]

Fair play LJ that was awesome.

 

[nimrod]

i think there's some obvious truths to some of the things thm is referring to, but as usual, in his desperate way to be all things anti-EU he attacks the wrong targets whilst promoting precisely zero policies for dealing with the right targets or in bringing about a more equal society. virtually all, if not all, of the perceived problems of the unequal society in the UK have been created by UK government policy. constantly banging on about "the establishment" but expecting the same system of government, its political parties, its institutions, its manner of financing to deliver any significant redistribution of wealth is completely bizarre. the idea of, say, boris johnson being anti-establishment - i mean, what planet would you need to come from?

whether people agree with LJ or not, he's probably posted more about these kind of issues on behalf of the "working man" than virtually anyone else on the forum. i'm really struggling to recall when, if ever, he's been backed up in his points by thm.

 

[So Long Architect]

LJ elected as President of the Socialist Elite, unopposed.

 

[thehistorymakers]

You didn't answer my question the other day. You're very selective about what you reply to, and to be honest the best thing out of the referendum has been not having to see your vile racist bull$#@! full of assumptions, stereotypes and so on.

This is a general problem with the NHS and GP systems, and nothing to do with the EU. Leaving the EU will not resolve the difficulties getting a GP appt.


A concrete example please. I know you won't, as you're a liar and make stuff up, as well as a fraudster. Amber Rudd made the same kind of comment about her own constituency. The employers there came out publicly and refuted her claims. So again, evidence please...


Again, what has that to do with the EU? It is related solely to the lack of any distinct housing policy by any government since 1980, and the sell off of council houses with not a single penny being re-invested in housing.

The points based system for housing allocation was removed country wide through 2006-7. No local authority or housing association allocates housing based on points. All now have Choice Based Lettings systems.So your arguement is out of date as well as wrong. And again, it is the system, not the EU that is an issue.

Well, no-one from the EU will be a refugee, so you're showing your true racist colours here scumbag. Perhaps you ought to learn a lot more about the distinction between a refugee and an asylum seeker too, as well as an EU migrant. And perhaps you ought to explore the Habitual Residence Test, and perhaps you ought to explore how come you have to be eligible for housing under UK law in order to be rehoused. And perhaps you ought to stop believing the daily mail.
Clearly people DO care! But this part says more about you and your generalisations than anything else.

You love making generalisations don't you? You consistently lump all remainers as being the same. In EXACTLY the same way you lump all immigrants in the same way, as well as numerous other groups of people. Indeed, you never see them as people, merely as stereotypes. And the vast majority of "remainers" as you label them are very much not establishment people. All you do is highlight your ignorance, again.


No, I blame uneducated, ignorant, predomenantly racist stereotyping $#@!wits who never did and still don't understand what the vote was about. I blame the $#@!ing $#@! that cameron is for being a weak and insipid leader who gambled on the referendum to garnber control over his party and lost. I blame farage and his predomenantly racist followers. I blame a weak media who allowed a debate to be framed in terms that had NOTHING to do with the EU.

I don't give a $#@! about people like you. Liars, xenophobes, distorters of the truth, offensive stereotypers with the over inflated sense of self who laud their own personal superiority, then play the victim card all the time after stating they fraudulently claim EU grants then start boo-hooing when others bring it up and constantly say they didn't say that.

I'm glad you're not in the UK. But at least in spain you can have the freedoms and rights you don't want us to have eh? So lets add hypocrite to the list.

No, it isnt about immigrants. It is is about not having the infrastructure in place, to increase your population from 50 million to 65 million.
There is nothing xenophobic or racist in that.

Open borders has put a huge restrain on our public resources. The people who have to wait 2 weeks to see a GP are paying the price. The people who cant afford a house or to rent a property are paying a price. The young people who are being overlooked for training and jobs are paying the price and guess what, you didnt give a flying fuck as long as you and your sort were ok.

Now open the door and you will now have to share the burden. Not nice is it? You should have thought about that before, when you were quite happy to ignore the plight of the vast majority of the population of the UK, while you were in your cosy little world.

 

[Johnny75]

No, it isnt about immigrants. It is is about not having the infrastructure in place, to increase your population from 50 million to 65 million.
There is nothing xenophobic or racist in that.

Open borders has put a huge restrain on our public resources. The people who have to wait 2 weeks to see a GP are paying the price. The people who cant afford a house or to rent a property are paying a price. The young people who are being overlooked for training and jobs are paying the price and guess what, you didnt give a flying $#@! as long as you and your sort were ok.

Now open the door and you will now have to share the burden. Not nice is it? You should have thought about that before, when you were quite happy to ignore the plight of the vast majority of the population of the UK, while you were in your cosy little world.

I took you off ignore for that?

I wanted to see a reasoned response to LJ owning you and instead you come out with the same shit you always have and the reason I put you on ignore in the first place months ago. Not a single plan or suggestion have you made to resolve the issues you feel need addressing just more unsubstantiated bollocks from a racist scumbag not even living in the UK.

LJ put you in your corner and unless you've something useful to add you aught to really leave in shame.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

No, it isnt about immigrants. It is is about not having the infrastructure in place, to increase your population from 50 million to 65 million.
There is nothing xenophobic or racist in that.

Open borders has put a huge restrain on our public resources. The people who have to wait 2 weeks to see a GP are paying the price. The people who cant afford a house or to rent a property are paying a price. The young people who are being overlooked for training and jobs are paying the price and guess what, you didnt give a flying $#@! as long as you and your sort were ok.

Now open the door and you will now have to share the burden. Not nice is it? You should have thought about that before, when you were quite happy to ignore the plight of the vast majority of the population of the UK, while you were in your cosy little world.

Lack of funding in our public resources put a huge restrain on our public resources.

And the vast majority of the population do not have to wait 2 weeks to see their GP, the vast majority of the population are in suitable housing, the vast majority of the (working age) population are in employment and the vast majority of the population are not in any particular "plight". Exaggerating something does not make your argument any more reasoned.

You will be hard pressed to find any reliable evidence that shows a definitive link between levels of immigration being a cause of public resource burden unless you read the Daily Mail. There have been a number of attempts to define such a cause and they are unable to do so. You can, however, find reliable evidence of the levels of taxation paid by immigrants, the number of essential jobs they undertake in public resources such as the health service, care sector and education...you know, the public resources they are such a drain on.

 

[lemonjelly]

If LJ didn't push his PC on the floor after hitting submit and then walk off (kicking a cat on the way) then that post will lose some of its awesomeness

I nearly did a lot worse when I hit "post reply" and the system told me I wasn't logged in....

Fortunately it saved it, & when I logged in it appeared!

 

[leedswolf]

 

[Penk Wolf]

No, it isnt about immigrants. It is is about not having the infrastructure in place, to increase your population from 50 million to 65 million.
There is nothing xenophobic or racist in that.

Open borders has put a huge restrain on our public resources. The people who have to wait 2 weeks to see a GP are paying the price. The people who cant afford a house or to rent a property are paying a price. The young people who are being overlooked for training and jobs are paying the price and guess what, you didnt give a flying fuck as long as you and your sort were ok.

Now open the door and you will now have to share the burden. Not nice is it? You should have thought about that before, when you were quite happy to ignore the plight of the vast majority of the population of the UK, while you were in your cosy little world.

All those issues are alive and kicking in Penkridge, guess what?


Wait for it.....


...Wait for it...


...Penkridge has no immigrants...Try looking at the Government cuts rather than immigration, that might be the people that you need to point the finger at.

 

[lemonjelly]

No, it isnt about immigrants. It is is about not having the infrastructure in place, to increase your population from 50 million to 65 million.
There is nothing xenophobic or racist in that.

Infrastructure is not about immigrants. Nor is it about the EU. It is about government funding, which since 2008 has been decimated, whilst multi-nationals have avoided every possible option in paying various taxes due. To then frame the poor infrastruture in terms that the majority of the leave campaign did, is racist and xenophobic.

Open borders has put a huge restrain on our public resources. The people who have to wait 2 weeks to see a GP are paying the price. The people who cant afford a house or to rent a property are paying a price. The young people who are being overlooked for training and jobs are paying the price and guess what, you didnt give a flying fuck as long as you and your sort were ok.

I still don't know what you think my sort are, but again, still none of this is the fault of immigrants, whether they're economic migrants, refugees, asylum seekers or other forms of migrants.

Now open the door and you will now have to share the burden. Not nice is it? You should have thought about that before, when you were quite happy to ignore the plight of the vast majority of the population of the UK, while you were in your cosy little world.

Ok, so the way to open the door is to close our borders? And I have spent my entire working life fighting for the rights of human beings, in a wide variety of roles. Know why? It's a big wide world out there. There are loads of people, and they are important. We should treat them better than we do. We should not stereotype them. We should not objectify them. We are them.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Didn't we do a straw poll of the "two weeks to see a GP" thing, and consensus was that if you really did need to see the doctor as a matter of reasonable urgency, no-one on the forum had ever encountered that kind of wait? Despite having people on here from all over the UK.

 

[lemonjelly]

Maybe it is only an issue in spain...

 

[The Bear]

My local GP is smack bang in the biggest Asian/Indian population in Burton and up until a couple of months ago when the practice ownership changed hands, I could get an appointment for the same morning any day I liked. Now I occasionally have to wait 24 hours if they're busy. That's down to a new system and owners rather than anything else though.