REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[nimrod]

Yes they will. History shows that. They would have recovered with any outcome other than nuclear war because people involved in making money are very good at...... Making money

the truest inference from this is that it will be big business and the city creating wealth and gaining most in the post brexit aftermath, which rather ridicules the 'anti-establishment' war cry. the most vehement brexiteers I know are 100% pro-establishment and will be more than happy with a widening of inequality.

 

[nimrod]

Perhaps it was aimed at Liam Fox or Bojo who flanked davies when he made the statement. They were, after all, immensely prominent figures in the campaign were they not?

this is correct. as soon as fox and BoJo were welcomed into gvt, that gvt is fair game for any claims they made in the campaign. they wouldn't have been in the position they are in without the campaign so if you want to reward them for lying to the electorate then you have to take the pain.

 

[Premier Quality]

My guess is we'll hand in the two years notice in January. That's long enough to get the negotiating team ready, and not so long the uncertainty does too much damage (as per the Japanese statement).

As for 'why aren't they giving us all th detail' - that would be a pretty stupid negotiating tactic, especially since you can never be clear as to everything you'll get and if there are differences they would be called out as 'lies' by the bitter people.

Best to say little that's not factual until negotiations are complete.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

I think May is letting Johnson, Fox and Davies come up with the best they can and if she and other Remainers think the deal is a bad one - as seems likely - she’ll put it to another Referendum. It will be dressed up as “what we have been able to come up with is so far removed from what many people voted for,democracy is best served by another vote”. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least one of the Three Stooges supports her. Until that point she will publicly state Brexit is happening but I don’t believe that at the moment any more than I believed Cameron intended to stay.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

the truest inference from this is that it will be big business and the city creating wealth and gaining most in the post brexit aftermath, which rather ridicules the 'anti-establishment' war cry. the most vehement brexiteers I know are 100% pro-establishment and will be more than happy with a widening of inequality.

I wouldnt consider myself pro or anti I am just a business realist and understand that where there is money to be made people will make money.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Presumably the Remain plan was to, erm remain?

I think that is way to simplistic and one of the reasons remain lost. It was clear that even those who wanted to remain wanted reform. The reform opportunity was shoved back down Camerons throat by the EU. The Eurocrats must take an equal share of the blame that Britain voted brexit. The position has been made clear by the EU. Britain has voted now get on with leaving. It would be a disgrace if any government went back on the will of the people even if they do not agree. The first step is to negotiate effective exit. The second step is to exit. The third step many years later may be to re-join if the EU has reformed in such a way as to make it acceptable to the 52% who voted out. All this because Cameron did not get what he wanted or stated Britain needed in order to remain , coupled with the utter arrogance of the EU officials that thought naughty little Britain would have its referendum, vote to stay and walk away to a position of towing the line and the likes of Farage, Gove , Johnson would fuck off into political obscurity.
Whats the saying? If your up to your neck in alligators its difficult to remember that your initial objective was to drain the fucking swamp. This shit storm is one that was made by Cameron, backed by Corbyns ineptitude and ratified by the likes of Merkel. We must leave the EU given the vote. There is no alternative

 

[nimrod]

I wouldnt consider myself pro or anti I am just a business realist and understand that where there is money to be made people will make money.

that's right, and I just applied the same realism to identify the inference within your statement vis-a-vis the 'establishment' gaining the most.

 

[thehistorymakers]

As a Brexit supporter, I am happy the way things are being dealt with. It will take time to remove the 40 years of European bureaucracy, but we will get there.

To control of our own laws and our own borders instead of being told what to do by unelected bureaucrats in the EU, will be worth waiting a little longer for.

The EU will play hard in the negotiations, after article 50, is called, to try to deter other countries leaving. I will be supporting the UK and the democratic will of it's people, which has voted to leave the EU, over the unelected EU commisioners.

Brexit had the biggest ever vote in the history of British democracy. The way the remain camp have acted since losing the vote, has not been dignified or noble. It has not been helped by the biased BBC or the left wing media, who are trying to go against the democratic will and result of the referendum.

Brexit means Brexit. The UK controlled by British politicians and voted for by the British people. I trust British politicians to look after the interests of the British people, more than the EU. So do the majority of British people.

 

[leedswolf]

I trust most British politicians to look after the interest of themselves.

 

[leedswolf]

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2016/09/26/arup-blames-brexit-for-planned-job-cuts/

 

[Dinowolf]

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2016/09/26/arup-blames-brexit-for-planned-job-cuts/

90 jobs in the construction industry at this time of year. Must be Brexit's fault.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

What's the time of year got to do with anything?

 

[Dinowolf]

What's the time of year got to do with anything?

You don't see the irony in the situation?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

You don't see the irony in the situation?

You think they're using Brexit as a cover up for the usual construction slow down across the winter period?

 

[Dinowolf]

You think they're using Brexit as a cover up for the usual construction slow down across the winter period?

No idea Mark. It just struck me as ironic.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

No idea Mark. It just struck me as ironic.

Well it isn't, not when you know that Arup are a design/consultancy firm so their workload isn't really knocked about by seasonal peaks and troughs in the same way that a main contractor's can be, they'd still be working on jobs in the pipeline over the winter, months before things ever got to site. Their declining workload is likely to be a much longer term issue I'd have though, no developers pressing ahead with investment so there's no prospective jobs for them to get involved with, offering their input and starting early design work, if they're struggling then it's potentially an early warning for the main contractors that there isn't going to be as much working coming through in the future.

 

[Dinowolf]

Well it is, IMO. 'Arup are a design/consultancy firm', in the construction industry. 'longer term issue', three months since Brexit?

 

[Nando]

We've noticed a slight drop-off in new work since Brexit, but particularly so from the nationwide house-builders. A couple of them we work with withdrew from sites 75% through the planning process.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Well it is, IMO. 'Arup are a design/consultancy firm', in the construction industry. 'longer term issue', three months since Brexit?

Do you have any idea how long it takes for construction projects to go from initial concept to actually starting on site?

Companies like Arup are involved in the very early stages, they'll be all but done by the time jobs make it to site in most cases, so they're likely to be one of the first places to notice a downturn in work. The people actually building projects will be alright for a while longer as there are projects in the pipeline that they can continue with but if your design/consultancy firms are seeing a decline in work then we soon start struggling to find new opportunities for work but that's probably 6 months or so away I'd have thought.

It's not like we had the referendum result and the whole construction industry has just flicked a switch and turned everything off but if developers are now having doubts on investment then there's going to be less work going forwards, designers and consultants will see the effects of that negativity earlier than most.

 

[lemonjelly]

Liam Fox is obviously a twat coming out now trying to play hardball prior to negotiations. Meanwhile, Ken Clarke drops this bombshell:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nobody-knows-what-theyre-doing-tory-grandee-ken-clarke-slams-government-over-brexit-a3357076.html

Mr Clarke told the New Statesman: "Nobody in the Government has the first idea of what they're going to do next on the Brexit front."

He also took a sideswipe at the so-called “three Brexiteers” Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, Brexit Secretary David Davis and International Trade Secretary Liam Fox and said the PM was saddled with an “appalling problem” of getting the trio to work together.

Mr Clarke warned the trio, who are tasked with delivering Brexit, that "serious uncertainty in your trading and political relationships with the rest of the world is dangerous if you allow it to persist".