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MARKakaJIM said:
Not really, shall we focus on the real driving force in your life instead?
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That would be on another thread though. I have met 5 people from this forum. Not one has ever been disrespectful to me. Do you think you would be, if you met me in real life?
 
thehistorymakers said:
That would be on another thread though. I have met 5 people from this forum. Not one has ever been disrespectful to me. Do you think you would be, if you met me in real life?
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I don't think I'd give you the time of day to be honest, I certainly wouldn't be going out of my way to see you.
 
thehistorymakers said:
Oh, so you can gob off about my kids, behind a computer screen, but you wouldn't say anything to my face?
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I'm simply questioning your priorities dear, you said Wolves were your life, to me that would mean they're the most important thing in your life, above everything else.

As said I wouldn't be making any effort to be in the vicinity of your face, if some day our paths cross through no effort of my own and this same topic appears then I would again be looking to clarify where your priorities lie.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
I'm simply questioning your priorities dear, you said Wolves were your life, to me that would mean they're the most important thing in your life, above everything else.

As said I wouldn't be making any effort to be in the vicinity of your face, if some day our paths cross through no effort of my own and this same topic appears then I would again be looking to clarify where your priorities lie.
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Wolves are everything to me, they are my life. Of course you would understand that my family could be my life, also.
But I would be very happy to clear anything up in front of your face. Like I have said before, I never hide behind a computer screen, to insult people.To me, that's cowardly.
 
So do Wolves and your children have parity now or are you back to living the multiple lives of a cat?
 
From the link below.

Mr Cameron and the other main Westminster parties had moved to shore up the pro-UK vote in the final stages of that campaign in 2014 by pledging to devolve further powers to the Scottish parliament.
The move considered by the prime minister, revealed by Newsnight in an investigation into the EU referendum campaign, shows that Downing Street came close to ripping up a key element of its strategy in the final stages.
This was to focus on the economic risks of Brexit and to avoid discussing immigration on the grounds that Vote Leave would always say that the UK could never control its borders while it remained a member of the EU.
In the end Downing Street maintained the focus of its campaign on the economy. Lord Cooper of Windrush, the Conservative peer who was the main pollster for the Britain Stronger in Europe campaign, told Newsnight that the pro-EU side's failure to address concerns about immigration had been a weakness.
He said: "The people who are very, very concerned about immigration, what they wanted was purely and simply for the UK to be able to have total control of its borders and total control of the flow of people into this country. And we didn't have an argument that could remotely compete with that.
"It meant we couldn't really engage in the campaign on that vital issue. We didn't have much option but to keep trying to pivot back to the economic risks."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36865791
 
I find it disgusting that Cameron begged for a change of EU policy on open borders in the EU and was turned down and didn't tell the people of the UK about this before a referendum. Many people who voted to remain, did so because they thought we could change the EU from within. If we couldn't force the EU'S hand just before the referendum to leave, we would never have been able to change it. We had a right to know about such an important turn down, by the EU before the referendum.
 
thehistorymakers said:
I find it disgusting that Cameron begged for a change of EU policy on open borders in the EU and was turned down and didn't tell the people of the UK about this before a referendum. Many people who voted to remain, did so because they thought we could change the EU from within. If we couldn't force the EU'S hand just before the referendum to leave, we would never have been able to change it. We had a right to know about such an important turn down, by the EU before the referendum.
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And I think it is disgusting that the Brexit campaign lied about an extra £350 million per week would go to the NHS.
 
Aikiwolf said:
And I think it is disgusting that the Brexit campaign lied about an extra £350 million per week would go to the NHS.
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And each person in the UK would be £4500 worse off, if we left the EU?

I never believed that like I didn't believe the £350 million.

In my opinion, it is more sinister, asking the EU to change the open borders policy, because they thought leave was going to win, getting turned down by the EU and not informing the British people about getting turned down.That shows very strongly, that the argument, we don't think the EU is working, but we will vote to remain, as we can change the EU by staying in, was not true. If they wouldn't change that policy after Cameron went begging to them, because the UK was going to vote out, we were never going to change the EU.

Why should the EU change? The UK and the EU have never agreed about what type of the EU we wanted. Now the EU can become more centralised and take more sovereignty off individual countries and we can go our own way. It was always like a bad marriage. It is a waste of time arguing and fighting year after year. Best to separate and get on with your lives.
 
thehistorymakers said:
And each person in the UK would be £4500 worse off, if we left the EU?

I never believed that like I didn't believe the £350 million.

In my opinion, it is more sinister, asking the EU to change the open borders policy, because they thought leave was going to win, getting turned down by the EU and not informing the British people about getting turned down.That shows very strongly, that the argument, we don't think the EU is working, but we will vote to remain, as we can change the EU by staying in, was not true. If they wouldn't change that policy after Cameron went begging to them, because the UK was going to vote out, we were never going to change the EU.

Why should the EU change? The UK and the EU have never agreed about what type of the EU we wanted. Now the EU can become more centralised and take more sovereignty off individual countries and we can go our own way. It was always like a bad marriage. It is a waste of time arguing and fighting year after year. Best to separate and get on with your lives.
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Neither is more or less sinister, they were both lies! The reason below the misrepresentations of the truth were for the political gain of me side or the other, giving neither the moral high ground.

It's good that you were smart enough to see through the NHS lie, unfortunately not everyone was, and this is my issue.
 
Aikiwolf said:
Neither is more or less sinister, they were both lies! The reason below the misrepresentations of the truth were for the political gain of me side or the other, giving neither the moral high ground.

It's good that you were smart enough to see through the NHS lie, unfortunately not everyone was, and this is my issue.
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You don't need to be smart, to know politicians twist the truth, but it doesn't make a person look bright, if he only believes his side tell the truth and the others are lying.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/22/brexit-means-brexit-when-is-big-question

Summary: nothing is happening and nothing will happen for a while. If at all.

Those of us who thought/think that it'll be a very bad thing for the economy weren't overly concerned by what would happen in two months, more like two decades. Nothing has changed for now given the penny has dropped that we can't just cherrypick the best parts of being in the EU and get rid of all the stuff we don't like.

It's pretty plain that now the dust has settled, no-one (who matters) other than the likes of Farage and IDS really wants to leave.
 
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