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Refereeing question

Deutsch Wolf said:
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Gestede's red card from Saturday. Overturned.

Where is the consistency?
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There is no consistency, very strange..also that Ben Davies challenge on Alexander-Arnold with studs up, straight leg..not even a freekick..a bit later Alexander-Arnold got a yc for trying to reach the ball and hitting Davies on the foot..hillarious
 
In today's Champions League Final, I counted about five serious errors made by the referee. He failed to see the elbow that Sergio Ramos delivered to Karius' head in the first half (when Karius went flying back into the net at a Real Madrid corner) and he missed the blatant pulling down of Salah by Ramos that changed the flow of the game in Real Madrid's favour. But the error I wish to question because, having listened to many commentators, I have the sense that FIFA may have changed the interpretation of the law. It has to do with the first goal. Back in the early 70s, FIFA decreed that any challenge that interrupts a keeper's distribution of the ball is a free kick to the keeper's side and an automatic yellow card for the perpetrator. This was issued after a Juventus forward had charged down (in a manner similar to Benzema, he stuck his foot out) a kick by Bayern's goalie, Sepp Maier, in a European Cup game in 1968 when the ball went into the net and the goal was given. Hence, I was most surprised when today's referee did not whistle the ball dead when Benzema interfered with Karius' delivery. The interpretation issued by FIFA did not differentiate between a kick or a throw.

Can someone enlighten me? Was today's referee's decision correct? If so, what has happened to the interpretation issued by FIFA? Has it been changed?
 
Graham Poll was the ref commentator or whatever BT call them and he said the goal was fine. Apparently if Karius was kicking from his hands it wouldn't stand, but as he was rolling it out as soon as it left his hand the ball was in play
 
Benzema wasn't looking to obstruct him like Best Vs Jennings, he threw the ball straight at him.
 
It seems a little odd that more isn't being made of that first goal.

Sure Henry got pulled for something when he was at Arsenal, nicking the ball away from a keeper as he went to kick it out of his hands. Always thought from then that you couldn't interfere with the keepers motion when distributing, don't see why a throw should be any different from a kick in that respect. Karius was rushing but Benzema blatantly made an effort to block it rather than it just being thrown in off his arse or something. Perhaps the earlier disallowed goal against Benzema played on the refs mind and he didn't want to be appear biased in that respect?

Not really sure what to think about it to be honest, poor rushed throw from Karius but perhaps also a bit underhand from Benzema. Think the magnitude of the event in such a big game probably makes it seem a lot worse, undoubtedly had a massive effect on the game and you don't want those big occasions to be decided by anything controversial.
 
The ball travelled a fair distance. It looked to me that Karius just threw it almost at Benzema. It was a ghastly cock-up rather than anything outside the rules by Benzema.

Essentially, and we all know this, Karius had an absolutely abject disaster. And Karius himself carries a lump of blame, but the rest sits with Klopp. Liverpool have had sub-standard goalkeeping options for 18 months, and he should have done something about it.
 
The difference is that until the goalkeeper has kicked the ball out of his hands he/she is deemed to be in possession of the ball whereas when he/she throws the ball is ommediately in play just like if the keeper puts the ball on the deck before kicking it.
 
leedswolf said:
The difference is that until the goalkeeper has kicked the ball out of his hands he/she is deemed to be in possession of the ball whereas when he/she throws the ball is ommediately in play just like if the keeper puts the ball on the deck before kicking it.
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i always thought Best's argument was that the some keepers would drop kick the ball rather than kick it from hand, his argument being that if it's on the ground it's fair game, which seemed pretty reasonable. basically they get the striker a couple of way - not being allowed to move with the keeper and if you flick it away after release it's that you can't raise a foot to the keeper. the last one's a stupid argument, because if you follow the first rule of not moving you'll be side on to the keeper at the time of his release, so you then just pull the ball back from side-on. so you're not raising a foot to the keeper, more to thin air, not much different to what benzema did. and you'd be a fool to put yourself in front when he's about to give it the big heave-ho. i used to do this in games usually when I felt like a breather or was pissed off someone hadn't put me in - not surprisingly a free kick given against me every time.
 
Once a goalkeeper releases the ball then it is play irrespective of whether it is kicked or thrown. The referee must decide if the attacker is trying to obstruct the goalkeeper from releasing the ball. Last night the attacker clearly was not doing so, and the referee was correct to award the goal.
 
And I was astonished that the Fulham player who stamped on Grealish was not sent off.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
Once a goalkeeper releases the ball then it is play irrespective of whether it is kicked or thrown. The referee must decide if the attacker is trying to obstruct the goalkeeper from releasing the ball. Last night the attacker clearly was not doing so, and the referee was correct to award the goal.
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you've confirmed to me that all my attempts should have been allowed to stand so i'm going to arbitrarily add a few goals to my career stats :)
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Agreed

Although Grealish himself was skirting the edge of being in trouble at times in the match
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Could have had a yellow card for diving a couple of times and should have had a straight red for the yellow card he did pick up
 
Ramos elbowing Karius to the head must have had something to do with his crap throw too.
 
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