Refereeing question

[Langers]

The guide which assessors have to abide by make it very difficult to mark a referee below 65. He starts of with 20 points for turning up, and having his kit with him.

Frank - your jokes thread is in General Chatter, not Other Sports.

Shall I merge these last few pages?

 

[Penk Wolf]

Sorry but I must disagree. Opinion is not fact. Though like you I thought some bad decisions were made at Villa Park.

In my opinion the World is flat.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Frank - your jokes thread is in General Chatter, not Other Sports.

Shall I merge these last few pages?

Sorry, but I am only relating to you good people how the assessment system works. I had an inkling that it would not meet with universal approval.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Sorry, but I am only relating to you good people how the assessment system works. I had an inkling that it would not meet with universal approval.

The Assessment system might work like that - whether it should is another question!

 

[Langers]

Sorry, but I am only relating to you good people how the assessment system works. I had an inkling that it would not meet with universal approval.

Only messing - I'm sure everyone appreciates the insight even if it's a bit bizarre!!

 

[FrankMunro-371]

The Assessment system might work like that - whether it should is another question!

How should it work then?

 

[Parkins left foot]

How should it work then?

Need to give it a bit of thought - though turning up with the right kit (which should be a given) shouldn't command 20% of the marks

 

[Tredman]

The last few pages of this thread have genuinely left me flabbergasted.

Jobs for the fucking boys. Amateur cunts.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Sorry but I must disagree. Opinion is not fact. Though like you I thought some bad decisions were made at Villa Park.

In my opinion black is white.

Would the assessor back me up or point out that factually I need my eyes tested?

 

[FrankMunro-371]

The last few pages of this thread have genuinely left me flabbergasted.

Jobs for the fucking boys. Amateur cunts.

I am sorry you feel like that. I have tried to explain how the assessment system works. Given the comments you have just made, I will leave it at that.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I appreciate your efforts Frank, but surely you must see that the almost universal view here seems to be that the assessment system is flawed because you are not allowed to challenge the referee on a poor decision. Why else are you there?

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I appreciate your efforts Frank, but surely you must see that the almost universal view here seems to be that the assessment system is flawed because you are not allowed to challenge the referee on a poor decision. Why else are you there?

I accept that Paddy, and efforts are being made to improve the assessing and mentoring of referees. I was not defending the system, just explaining how it works.

And I would add that I am sure that most people would agree that Anthony Taylor had an excellent game at Anfield this evening. His performance was far better than most of the players.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

In my opinion black is white.

Would the assessor back me up or point out that factually I need my eyes tested?

Ok, I can go into the referees dressing room after the game and tell him he missed a blatant penalty. The referee may say that he didn't, as in his opinion it was not a penalty. And that would be that. He gives a decision based on his opinion of the incident. He is in charge of the game, what could I as an assessor do? Yes I could include in my report that he missed an obvious penalty, but the assessment would be returned to me. We cannot question every decision the referee makes.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Whilst I would accept that we are, to an extent, all biased & there are shades of grey, there are times when you think that no one (& I do mean no one) can see anything other than a penalty

Not always given & any reasonable viewer sees that & thinks 'WTF' is that referee looking at!

 

[VanWolfie]

Whilst I would accept that we are, to an extent, all biased & there are shades of grey, there are times when you think that no one (& I do mean no one) can see anything other than a penalty

Not always given & any reasonable viewer sees that & thinks 'WTF' is that referee looking at!

One outcome of the assessment process is that the referee in question does not have a game on Tuesday evening and on Saturday has been relegated to fourth official. We must assume therefore that the observers' reports were less than satisfactory. It will be interesting to see his allocation for the following weekend. If he doesn't get a game then, we will know that the observers' reports were harsh.

 

[lemonjelly]

Sorry, but I am only relating to you good people how the assessment system works. I had an inkling that it would not meet with universal approval.

It may not meet with universal approval Frank, but I have to say it is absolutely fascinating to learn this stuff.
Whilst some people's initial reactions may be a little knee-jerk or emotional, it is possibly because we have assumptions about how we think refs are monitored/managed etc, and it seems some of our assumptions are wrong.

 

[darlowolf64]

It may not meet with universal approval Frank, but I have to say it is absolutely fascinating to learn this stuff.
Whilst some people's initial reactions may be a little knee-jerk or emotional, it is possibly because we have assumptions about how we think refs are monitored/managed etc, and it seems some of our assumptions are wrong.

Having refereed I knew about the points for being on time and looking good so it was no surprise to me

Yes I refereed at park level but even then I think what assisted me was the fact that I had actually played the game at a half decent level and understood the game from a players point of view as well as from the Laws of the Game. Simple things like knowing when playing the advantage rule will be of benefit to the attacking team all help with good game management.
The sooner former players are brought through the referee system the better (for me)

 

[nimrod]

Turning up on time or not should merely be a warning on the first occasion & a reduction to the ranks for a second - should have no bearing on how he/(She - as we shouldn't be mysoginistic) referees the actual match which is what they are there for.

Shouldn't have much bearing on their overall score

i agree. things like turning up on time or not being dressed sufficiently correctly should be in a different category of assessment and nothing to do with "match performance".

mixing two elements like this together just seems an attempt to reduce the impact of poor decision making.

as well as a weekly panel to assess aspects of players cheating (diving, foul play etc) to hand out or rescind punishment retrospectively, there should be a refs panel assessing them the same way. not so much to punish them, but to understand how they are making wrong decisions and educate them so they don't do it again. obviously if they keep fucking up then ultimately there has to be a fitness for purpose assessment.

most of us expect mistakes are going to be made, but there should be more accountability. i'm also still for video use when its available - again, like in rugby, it's part of the refereeing function, not an alternative to it.

 

[Dinowolf]

most of us expect mistakes are going to be made, but there should be more accountability. i'm also still for video use when its available - again, like in rugby, it's part of the refereeing function, not an alternative to it.

Football has a lot to learn from other sports esp. Rugby and Cricket, on officiating matchplay.
A quick timeout and view the incident calmly would make all the difference. I think each team should be given a 'review' as they do in cricket, one per game.

 

[So Long Architect]

I wouldn't want reviews from the teams but I really don't get the objection to video replays called for by the ref. It's not like football is devoid of interruptions to the flow as it is. The time the referees spend waving away angry players could be better spent chatting to a fourth official with a TV screen.