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Tony Towner said:
and then got sacked for it.
If he thought he'd be binned for a midtable finish do you think he'd have spent £37m on an 18 year old for the future or signed players for the present? I think everyone can agree that money being spent on an AM and a CH would have been better for 2020/1
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Maybe he got sacked for failing to implement a different style of football rather than where he finished in the table?
 
In that case, who are Jeff Shi and Guo Guangchang to say how a football team should play?
 
MARKakaJIM said:
Maybe he got sacked for failing to implement a different style of football rather than where he finished in the table?
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Then the question would be whose decision was it to implement that change? Exclusively viewed previously that Nuno felt that we'd reached our pinnacle with a counter attacking style and it was him that wanted to go more possession based. If it wasn't then I find that deeply worrying
 
Tony Towner said:
Then the question would be whose decision was it to implement that change? Exclusively viewed previously that Nuno felt that we'd reached our pinnacle with a counter attacking style and it was him that wanted to go more possession based. If it wasn't then I find that deeply worrying
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It was Nuno. Every man and his dog knew we had to change. If Nuno didn’t think we had to, or was forced into it whilst signing a new contract then that doesn’t say a lot about him does it.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Well, when Nuno wasn't here we signed Ola John, Jon Dadi Bödvarsson, Prince Oniangué and Paul Gladon.

When he was here, we didn't sign shite like that.

So you tell me.
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Vallejo, Campana, Willian, he didn't mine an endless seam of gold.
 
PuntsWolf said:
It was Nuno. Every man and his dog knew we had to change. If Nuno didn’t think we had to, or was forced into it whilst signing a new contract then that doesn’t say a lot about him does it.
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I agree, just responding to Mark's suggestion
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
In that case, who are Jeff Shi and Guo Guangchang to say how a football team should play?
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It's their club.

If you employed someone to do your gardening and they did it differently to how you wanted what would you do? Shrug it off and put up with it?
 
Assuming they were a professional gardener and I am definitely not one, I'd assume they knew what they were doing.

I don't go telling the British Gas engineer what to do if my boiler breaks.
 
Tony Towner said:
Then the question would be whose decision was it to implement that change? Exclusively viewed previously that Nuno felt that we'd reached our pinnacle with a counter attacking style and it was him that wanted to go more possession based. If it wasn't then I find that deeply worrying
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I don't think it makes a difference who instigated the change, the cat is out the bag now either way. Either Fosun wanted it or Nuno promised it but it's been a failure to deliver regardless.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Assuming they were a professional gardener and I am definitely not one, I'd assume they knew what they were doing.

I don't go telling the British Gas engineer what to do if my boiler breaks.
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Your garden isn't purely functional though is it? Unless you're living on a working farm these days. You look out the window and don't like the view then I'm sure you'd ask him to do something differently or find a new gardener.

You might not tell the British Gas engineer how to install the boiler but would sit back and let him install pipework across the middle of your front room or ask him to route it somewhere else?
 
MARKakaJIM said:
I don't think it makes a difference who instigated the change, the cat is out the bag now either way. Either Fosun wanted it or Nuno promised it but it's been a failure to deliver regardless.
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I disagree, If a manager who has finished back to back 7th positions is told he has to change his style of play then I think it makes a massive difference.

I doubt that was the case, but if it were then we won't get long term success with this ownership and that type of meddling.
 
The change will have come from Nuno, he mentioned it in his post-match after the Sevilla game that we needed to dominate games.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
Your garden isn't purely functional though is it? Unless you're living on a working farm these days. You look out the window and don't like the view then I'm sure you'd ask him to do something differently or find a new gardener.

You might not tell the British Gas engineer how to install the boiler but would sit back and let him install pipework across the middle of your front room or ask him to route it somewhere else?
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If we want to continue this incredibly tortured analogy (even for me) then I don't care so long as it works.

If we had 38 1-0 wins with 1 shot on target per game then that's fine by me.
 
Tony Towner said:
I disagree, If a manager who has finished back to back 7th positions is told he has to change his style of play then I think it makes a massive difference.

I doubt that was the case, but if it were then we won't get long term success with this ownership and that type of meddling.
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If you told your boss you could do something different at work to improve the business and then failed would he just shrug it off and let you revert to the old flawed approach without comment?
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
If we want to continue this incredibly tortured analogy (even for me) then I don't care so long as it works.

If we had 38 1-0 wins with 1 shot on target per game then that's fine by me.
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Why are you always slagging off the likes of Bruce and Allardyce for playing horrible football then? If it's only about results you may as well bin the season ticket and wait for the scores to come in on score centre.
 
Because they play terrible football with mediocre results.

We didn't play terrible football under Nuno and didn't have mediocre results.
 
It's almost like people have forgetten how good Wolves were for 3 seasons and put it all into one difficult season. Not withstanding that season had the worlds worst pandemic, no rest for 2 seasons and a boatload of injuries to key players.
Yes, i get Fosun are a business and have ambitions, but you can crush ambitions easily with one or two flawed decisions.
No way Jeff Shi is a football coach. Owning a football club doesn't make you one ever. The decision we all saw yesterday leaves us without a head coach and ALL his backroom staff. That is a lot of people to replace. Plus we have no proper director of football, only Jeff Shi. Again he is the owner of a football club, not a football brain. We also have a bunch of players aligned to Nuno...
This could end incredibly badly for Wolves as a whole. I'm not convinced in any way this is good for the club.
 
But you said you wouldn't give a fuck if it was terrible as long you won.

Fuck it man, I'm out of the hysterical nonsense. Change the forum name to TNF for a few months of mourning and enjoy your little crywank over a stranger.

Give it 12 months with a competent replacement and no-one will give a fuck about what happened yesterday.
 
Just 'going back' to the 18/19 style was never going to be an option - after two years, you could see we'd been found out to a large degree. The only way to improve but keep the same style is to improve the players doing it, which we didn't. We had to try and change style.
 
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