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redvictor said:
Chucking a bloke in who really hasn't got any experience of the PL in a team who are an established side in that league could be a disaster waiting to happen. Where as Nuno was an experienced manager in this league.
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Should we replace him with Allardyce, Pardew, Bruce or Warnock?

Yes, Nuno was presented with a series of problems, but seemed to have little clue how to address them effectively, and the football was so tediously dull.

Maybe, as other clubs’ supporters warned us about, Nuno has a shelf life of 3 years or so.
 
Wolvensam said:
It's why we go the young route - it doesn't pay off straight away but if you get a coach who can nurture and build it we could be onto something and finishing high if (big if) we keep the squad together and it clicks at the right time.

I'm not saying Lage is any more likely to do that than Nuno but clearly it's the strategy.
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As some will say that’s a commendable plan but in reality flawed.
Problem instantly being how much of your talent would be picked off by current top 6 sides.
Also requires a near perfect recruitment process.
 
Deano said:
Nice idea in theory but probably not in practice. To break into the top 6 consistently you need huge investment year on year and we had 0 net spend last summer and at best will have a very small one this summer. I get that theyre trying to organically grow the club so revenues grown and in turn we can spend more but to catch up with the sky 6 doing things that way would take so long we probably wouldn't be around to see it.
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Fair comment. It's to grow revenues/exposure and sign young players - Neto, Silva and probably Ait-Nouri and Vitinha I would think. Then nurture them and challenge. Obviously that then relies on us retaining those players should we fail to make the top six regularly or relying on a reputation for bringing on young players similar to what Dortmund have.
 
jd1981 said:
As some will say that’s a commendable plan but in reality flawed.
Problem instantly being how much of your talent would be picked off by current top 6 sides.
Also requires a near perfect recruitment process.
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Yes absolutely. Could not agree more - the squad has to stick together and stick to the project. But for every Neves you have a handful of Jota's.
 
Jabbawolf said:
Should we replace him with Allardyce, Pardew, Bruce or Warnock?

Yes, Nuno was presented with a series of problems, but seemed to have little clue how to address them effectively, and the football was so tediously dull.

Maybe, as other clubs’ supporters warned us about, Nuno has a shelf life of 3 years or so.
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Yea, of course we should.. :rolleyes: Jeez...
 
slink said:
I don't think anyone actually thinks it's the same do they. We had just finished 15th in the Championship and getting Nuno who had a 4th placed La Liga finish on his cv was much better than Lambert and quite a coup. He definitely proved that over the past 4 years and is without doubt the best manager we've had in my lifetime.

What people are saying though is we don't really know about Lage and while it's not someone any one on this forum would have wanted his record isn't as bad as some seem to think and he wasn't solely reliant on Felix like some think either. Same with the relegation thing, we can't prove we're more likely to get relegated with Lage than Nuno, someone can think it's more likely but will never be able to prove that. It does seem some fans are reluctant to give him a chance no matter what and have made their mind up already and can't wait to say i told you so if it does go tits up but i'd just rather see what happens and make a judgement then.
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There are numerous Lage has won a league whereas Nuno hadn't comments - ergo better.

I'll address the can't wait to say I told you so thing, which may or may not be aimed explicitly at me but was whilst quoting me. I've spent more than 40 years investing both financially and emotionally in this football club. To my knowledge, I don't know anyone on here, haven't met them and probably won't. You'd need to be a special type of sociopath to get your kicks out of telling those people I told you so, rather than wanting the appointment to work out
 
Wolvensam said:
Thanks for the insight mate. Sounds a bit like Lage was dealt a bad hand then, really.
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I do think he should have done better though. No manager should have that record at Benfica. But what is done is done.

His first season was absolutely epic. Major wins everywhere. We started his second season by stuffing Sporting with a 5-0 result. Won 17 out of 18 games in the first half of the league. Then... it went to shit very fast.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
It's not a case of telling people "I told you so", I'm not interested in Internet points.

I'm interested in the team I've followed for 33 years making a shocking call.
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That's fair enough but some people definitely are interested in saying i told you so, it's human nature to like being right.

I would say that's what we're all interested in but we don't know it's a shocking call. I can understand why most fans wanted Nuno to stay but i think it was probably time to go, he looked devoid of ideas, had struggled to get the best out of various players imo and chucked the FA Cup this year when it was all we had among other things.

Would i have picked Lage? No but i'd rather see what happens before i make a snap judgement because he's got some pedigree, people can say all they want about Benfica but they were 4th when he took over and won the league so he has something about him. This league is a different animal we all agree and he's got a massive job ahead of him but this isn't a Saunders type he knows fuck all about football appointment. We have an attacking squad imo and need a manager to get the best out of them and Nuno wasn't that man, Lage maybe isn't either but lets see what happens.
 
If Wolves appoint Lage and the Nuno to Palace rumours end up being true, I would already place us as below Palace in terms of progress this summer at the current time, which I get is miles away.

That Wolves team needs work and redirection, the young players were seemingly developing under Nuno despite his reluctance, now his entire staff is gone, we have players for a back 3 system and 2 CBs potentially missing a month of the season, we have several key players out or returning from big injuries, for me it doesn't seem like a good time to start getting cute or adventurous with hirings. That's my overriding concern, this feels like the start of Swansea beginning to move away from their identity in the Prem.

A manager is just the start of getting my faith back. We then need signings and a fuller squad, and then all that needs to click, that feels more work with a manager coming in, than an established one in place.
 
Do Grasshoppers get many Mendes clients? Guo's wife owns them, right?

Not trying to prove a point, just interested. I know Guo has a 15% stake in Gestifute so would think most clients would go there as opposed to Wolves.
 
Tony Towner said:
There are numerous Lage has won a league whereas Nuno hadn't comments - ergo better.

I'll address the can't wait to say I told you so thing, which may or may not be aimed explicitly at me but was whilst quoting me. I've spent more than 40 years investing both financially and emotionally in this football club. To my knowledge, I don't know anyone on here, haven't met them and probably won't. You'd need to be a special type of sociopath to get your kicks out of telling those people I told you so, rather than wanting the appointment to work out
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His record in Portugal is better, he has a 1st and 2nd placed finish, not sure they think that means he's better as Nuno proved what he was capable over here. He got us to two 7th placed finishes in the Premier League.

The told you so thing wasn't aimed at anyone in particular and i think even those that would be saying it regarding Lage would want us to do well before wanting to be proved right but we've seen it before with fans (people in general) as i said earlier people love to be right even if they'd rather be wrong.
 
Just trying to think it through. Maybe this appointment is because there isn't much money to spend, and Lage has been out of work for so long he's desperate for work. A bit like the Blues brothers at their big concert when the guy offers them 10k to make a record.
Lage to Jeff "of course i can work with your players" thumbing a big wad of money....
I might be making stuff up here. :ROFLMAO:
 
redvictor said:
Just trying to think it through. Maybe this appointment is because there isn't much money to spend, and Lage has been out of work for so long he's desperate for work. A bit like the Blues brothers at their big concert when the guy offers them 10k to make a record.
Lage to Jeff "of course i can work with your players" thumbing a big wad of money....
I might be making stuff up here. :ROFLMAO:
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I think the opposite to be honest - a new manager will want his own players.
 
I was just speaking to a Palace mate who was asking about Nuno and what I thought of that rumour, I said I would be surprised if its true as surely more established teams want him.

Back to back 7th place finishes
Cup Semi
Europa Qtrs
Pissed the championship
Brilliant record against the top 6 for a non elite side

He has done incredible, anyone trying to say maybe it was time he left needs to be careful what they wish for currently, this feels closer to being the new Charlton fans wanting a different manager under Curbishly, than the next step.

I hope we get the confirmation tomorrow just so I can park some of the worry... And get on with my Euros sticker collecting!
 
Wolvensam said:
I think the opposite to be honest - a new manager will want his own players.
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Then that would make even less sense. Getting in not only a new manager, but a whole new backroom team plus new managers players?
We are Charlton and i claim my prize..
 
big mean bunny said:
I was just speaking to a Palace mate who was asking about Nuno and what I thought of that rumour, I said I would be surprised if its true as surely more established teams want him.

Back to back 7th place finishes
Cup Semi
Europa Qtrs
Pissed the championship
Brilliant record against the top 6 for a non elite side

He has done incredible, anyone trying to say maybe it was time he left needs to be careful what they wish for currently, this feels closer to being the new Charlton fans wanting a different manager under Curbishly, than the next step.

I hope we get the confirmation tomorrow just so I can park some of the worry... And get on with my Euros sticker collecting!
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A few of us have been saying the same sort of thing. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener etc...
 
redvictor said:
Then that would make even less sense. Getting in not only a new manager, but a whole new backroom team plus new managers players?
We are Charlton and i claim my prize..
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Obviously not an entirely new squad but I reckon 3-4 additions.

I don't think we'd have gotten that many under Nuno, in my opinion anyway.
 
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