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****POLL NOW IN OP****Who do you want next?

Yeah, I won't be holding my breath on that one.
 
AndyWolves said:
I just don't see a guy like Jeff letting a third party make decisions for him. You wouldn't get very far in an organisation like Fosun if you don't own your decisions and how they're made.
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Depends who tells you to do what
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Our finish to the season post-Albion at home:

P19 W6 D5 L8 Pts 23 (PPG: 1.2, 46 over a season)

We were never going down under him.

We could go down under this guy, who has next to no track record.
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But Fosun's aspiration isn't to consolidate a position, it's to challenge.

I appreciate Lage may not tally with that vision totally, but it would make sense as to why Nuno left.
 
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prawnking said:
I mean this with respect, but come on... managers and players, even favourites, come and go. It's not Lage's fault?

Surely, even if you're sure it's the wrong decision, you have to back the new guy, at least before he's even made a signing or picked a team??

Tbh I don't think this Nuno fixation is that healthy, and it's a separate issue from questioning Fosun or the Lage appointment
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I think you have misunderstood my point, of course I will back him, want him to do well, he doesn't have my full support though was what I meant. How could he, Nuno could have lost the first 5 games and I would have trusted him. No one new is getting that.

I have never clicked with a manager like I have Nuno, I loved what he did, what he stood for, his stories. Like has been mentioned this next manager should have been the "next step of the project" - and it already has a feeling that its maybe reactionary and unstratgetic.
 
Didn't much of Lage's poor run for Benfica coincide with the pandemic to some extent?

I'd be more than happy to say that the football that Nuno brought us under the pandemic wasn't representative of his talents, and I'd be more than willing to hear the same of Lage.
 
Wolvensam said:
I suppose in some ways it's the expectations of the club too, isn't it? Benfica should be winning titles and challenging in European Cup competitions. There's a sense of urgency and immediacy, whereas here he may be given more time to build.
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He didn't get sacked because of bad results. He got sacked because it was convenient. The sacking paved the way for the return of Jesus and an investment of 100M right before club elections.

Jesus just finished 3rd, lost every competition, even a final to Braga, and the club invested 100M in players last summer, with no improvement in the played football. He's not getting the sack because it's not convenient. The president bet his life on this and lost, but Benfica is his only salvation from going to jail. He's part of a series of legal proceedings. Just two weeks ago he was heard on a parliamentary commission due to loans with the bankrupted bank BES. A former banker, in the same commission, admitted LFV (Benfica's president) would not have gotten the loans he had if he wasn't Benfica's president because he has no assets to cover. So you know, his loans [private loans] are up to 300M.
 
BGreenWolf said:
Didn't much of Lage's poor run for Benfica coincide with the pandemic to some extent?

I'd be more than happy to say that the football that Nuno brought us under the pandemic wasn't representative of his talents, and I'd be more than willing to hear the same of Lage.
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It started slightly earlier, but we will never know if the run would have been as bad as it was.
 
Wolvensam said:
But Fosun's aspiration isn't to consolidate a position, it's to challenge.

I appreciate Lage may not tally with that vision totally, but it would make sense as to why Nuno left.
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Yeah but my position is that I want Wolves in the Premier League, not the Championship.

Anything we can do that doesn't jeopardise that is fine with me. Stuff that does, less so.
 
big mean bunny said:
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I think you have misunderstood my point, of course I will back him, want him to do well, he doesn't have my full support though was what I meant. How could he, Nuno could have lost the first 5 games and I would have trusted him. No one new is getting that.

I have never clicked with a manager like I have Nuno, I loved what he did, what he stood for, his stories. Like has been mentioned this next manager should have been the "next step of the project" - and it already has a feeling that its maybe reactionary and unstratgetic.
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But this is the point - I hadn't clicked either with any other manager, but how much of that clouds our judgement with regards to shortcomings last season? It clouded mine.
 
Tony Towner said:
If anyone thinks that Lage is even close to the same level of appointment that Nuno was at the relative levels the club was at when they were appointed they are deluding themselves. Talk about false equivalence.

He may be a success, he may not, but this isn't a coup, Nuno was. Again, relative to where we were/are at
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I don't think anyone actually thinks it's the same do they. We had just finished 15th in the Championship and getting Nuno who had a 4th placed La Liga finish on his cv was much better than Lambert and quite a coup. He definitely proved that over the past 4 years and is without doubt the best manager we've had in my lifetime.

What people are saying though is we don't really know about Lage and while it's not someone any one on this forum would have wanted his record isn't as bad as some seem to think and he wasn't solely reliant on Felix like some think either. Same with the relegation thing, we can't prove we're more likely to get relegated with Lage than Nuno, someone can think it's more likely but will never be able to prove that. It does seem some fans are reluctant to give him a chance no matter what and have made their mind up already and can't wait to say i told you so if it does go tits up but i'd just rather see what happens and make a judgement then.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Our finish to the season post-Albion at home:

P19 W6 D5 L8 Pts 23 (PPG: 1.2, 46 over a season)

We were never going down under him.

We could go down under this guy, who has next to no track record.
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We could also finish in a European spot under him, we just don't know. There's no evidence to suggest he will relegate us and as Jeff/Fosun have shown repeatedly, if things aren't working as they want it to they will pull the trigger.

Most of us were gutted to see Nuno go but he is gone now. We can't take that anger out on his successor, lets hope his appointment proves to be a masterstroke. If it isn't, he will be gone
 
My problem with Lage( and others on here too) is that although he had one good season, it was with Benfica, who are one of 3 teams in that league who win everything every year. It certainly isn't the premier league, where 19 other teams can beat you on their day.
Chucking a bloke in who really hasn't got any experience of the PL in a team who are an established side in that league could be a disaster waiting to happen. Where as Nuno was an experienced manager in this league.
The club seemingly have taken the decision to get rid of Nuno because of a one in a century set of circumstances, and a few of us on here believe that to be a bad decision.
Of course no-one here( or anywhere outside of the Wolves boardroom) can do anything about it apart from voice our opinion on it.
We don't know for sure what will happen when the season starts. I'm certainly not getting excited by anything i see and read recently. In fact i'm getting disappointed by the day.
The only way some of us will be able to move on is if, and it's a big if, the choice of manager works better than the previous one. That is a big ask as of this moment.
And it's Fosun's biggest gamble to date.
 
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Sometimes to be successful in business you have to take gambles, same with being successful in football. Or, you know, you just chuck a wad of cash at it like City and Chelsea - but judging by Ask Wolves Jeff wants to build something sustainable here, not something that relies on a consistent cash injection until the money gets bored.

Like Lupo said, if it's a cluster fuck he will be gone. But I think we can all agree this squad should have performed better last season. It terrified me that Neves said they gave their all in the United game - we were dreadful.
 
Reality is Nuno probably had us banging against our glass ceiling the previous 2 seasons.
Those thinking we can seriously occupy a place in the top 6 need a reality check. The fluke season ok but a regular challenge just won’t happen. Firstly the expenditure of transfer fees and wages is way above what we’d be willing to spend to compete at that level.
 
slink said:
I don't think anyone actually thinks it's the same do they. We had just finished 15th in the Championship and getting Nuno who had a 4th placed La Liga finish on his cv was much better than Lambert and quite a coup. He definitely proved that over the past 4 years and is without doubt the best manager we've had in my lifetime.

What people are saying though is we don't really know about Lage and while it's not someone any one on this forum would have wanted his record isn't as bad as some seem to think and he wasn't solely reliant on Felix like some think either. Same with the relegation thing, we can't prove we're more likely to get relegated with Lage than Nuno, someone can think it's more likely but will never be able to prove that. It does seem some fans are reluctant to give him a chance no matter what and have made their mind up already and can't wait to say i told you so if it does go tits up but i'd just rather see what happens and make a judgement then.
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It's not a case of telling people "I told you so", I'm not interested in Internet points.

I'm interested in the team I've followed for 33 years making a shocking call.
 
jd1981 said:
Reality is Nuno probably had us banging against our glass ceiling the previous 2 seasons.
Those thinking we can seriously occupy a place in the top 6 need a reality check. The fluke season ok but a regular challenge just won’t happen. Firstly the expenditure of transfer fees and wages is way above what we’d be willing to spend to compete at that level.
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It's why we go the young route - it doesn't pay off straight away but if you get a coach who can nurture and build it we could be onto something and finishing high if (big if) we keep the squad together and it clicks at the right time.

I'm not saying Lage is any more likely to do that than Nuno but clearly it's the strategy.
 
Wolvensam said:
Sometimes to be successful in business you have to take gambles, same with being successful in football. Or, you know, you just chuck a wad of cash at it like City and Chelsea - but judging by Ask Wolves Jeff wants to build something sustainable here, not something that relies on a consistent cash injection until the money gets bored.

Like Lupo said, if it's a cluster fuck he will be gone. But I think we can all agree this squad should have performed better last season. It terrified me that Neves said they gave their all in the United game - we were dreadful.
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Nice idea in theory but probably not in practice. To break into the top 6 consistently you need huge investment year on year and we had 0 net spend last summer and at best will have a very small one this summer. I get that theyre trying to organically grow the club so revenues grown and in turn we can spend more but to catch up with the sky 6 doing things that way would take so long we probably wouldn't be around to see it.
 
jdrodrigues said:
He didn't get sacked because of bad results. He got sacked because it was convenient. The sacking paved the way for the return of Jesus and an investment of 100M right before club elections.

Jesus just finished 3rd, lost every competition, even a final to Braga, and the club invested 100M in players last summer, with no improvement in the played football. He's not getting the sack because it's not convenient. The president bet his life on this and lost, but Benfica is his only salvation from going to jail. He's part of a series of legal proceedings. Just two weeks ago he was heard on a parliamentary commission due to loans with the bankrupted bank BES. A former banker, in the same commission, admitted LFV (Benfica's president) would not have gotten the loans he had if he wasn't Benfica's president because he has no assets to cover. So you know, his loans [private loans] are up to 300M.
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Thanks for the insight mate. Sounds a bit like Lage was dealt a bad hand then, really.
 
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