Next Manager

[Kenny]

We replaced Lopetegui with Gary O'Neil.

Why is there optimism?

It's just blind faith, or hope. Akin to Sunak's prediction of halving inflation, all the evidence suggests it's not going to happen, but he still believes it.

We replaced Bruno with Lopetegui

Following replacing Nuno with Bruno.

Essentially no clue which direction we will go so might as well go down the optimistic route or else it's just depressing. Yes we could go with Lampard but if I ignore that I don't have to worry about it until it happens.

 

[prawnking]

We replaced Lopetegui with Gary O'Neil.

Why is there optimism?

It's just blind faith, or hope. Akin to Sunak's prediction of halving inflation, all the evidence suggests it's not going to happen, but he still believes it.

You keep saying this, but 'all the evidence' doesn't point to O'Neil's replacement being worse.

I also wouldn't say anyone on here is 'optimistic', just obvious GON isn't taking us anywhere, so may as well roll the dice again.

Fosun also replaced Lage with Lopetegui btw (edit: just seconding Kenny on this...)

 

[Carsy]

You keep saying this, but 'all the evidence' doesn't point to O'Neil's replacement being worse.

I also wouldn't say anyone on here is 'optimistic', just obvious GON isn't taking us anywhere, so may as well roll the dice again.

Fosun also replaced Lage with Lopetegui btw (edit: just seconding Kenny on this...)

The Fosun model tends to be

Shit (zenga yea maybe a tad harsh on lambert)
Good - nuno
Shit - Lage
Good Lop
Shit GoN
????

We live in hope

 

[MARKakaJIM]

The Fosun model tends to be

Shit zenga
Shit Lambert
Good - nuno
Shit - Lage
Shit Davis
Good Lop
Shit GoN
????

We live in hope

Seems like another shit one due before they sort it out to me.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Replacing Lage with Loetegui "proving" that Fosun get it right is a red herring now isn't it?

We had a relationship with Lop because of what happened in 2016, that's why that happened and the huge amount of cash they threw at him.

That doesn't mean on any level they will be able to get a similarly capable manager now does it? How does it?

Especially as that was in part facilitated by Mendes, who we are now less and less likely to use.

Oh and then as a club we treated him in a way that made him want to leave!

THAT is why I keep saying it.

 

[Tony Towner]

We replaced Lopetegui with Gary O'Neil.

Why is there optimism?

It's just blind faith!

It's not optimism, I don't think anyone is expecting an exciting appointment. I don't particularly want Hassenhutl, just see him as a competent upgrade to what we have. With O'Neill I think it's touch and go as to whether we'd stay up. We are definitely one of the 6 worse teams with him in charge, it's not difficult to see how we could go down. I find the acceptance of sub par because sub, sub par is out there strange. If you offered me O'Neill or Dean Smith I'd keep who we already have. I don't think they'll get rid of him to appoint someone like that

 

[Carsy]

Seems like another shit one due before they sort it out to me.

Not by the Fosun proofed algorithm .

Let’s be honest, none of us fucking know.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I find the acceptance of sub par because sub, sub par is out there strange.

How on earth is this strange?

Look at Leeds, they replaced Marsch who is sub par with Allardyce who is sub, sub par.

Look at Leicester, Rodgers with Smith.

Southampton, RH with Nathan Jones!

That's the sort of thing I fully expect to happen.

Quite why I'm being ridiculed and patronised over holding that view is beyond me.

I'm not happy with GON in the slightest, I wasn't happy with McCarthy or Solbakken either.

Why on earth is a club that thinks Beale, Smith, Edwards, GON and Lampard are a good idea (and forced Lop to leave) suddenly going to improve this situation if/when they sack GON?

 

[The Bear]

We replaced Lopetegui with Gary O'Neil.

Why is there optimism?

It's just blind faith, or hope. Akin to Sunak's prediction of halving inflation, all the evidence suggests it's not going to happen, but he still believes it.

No optimism from me, but you're comparing apples with oranges. GON was a last minute, right before the season appointment when the list of managers available was tiny. No-one worth their salt wants to come in at such short notice under those conditions.

If we were to look for a new one around Christmas or new year then there'd be a much bigger pool of people available and interested.

 

[Tony Towner]

Those examples aren't comparable they were both done as desperation moves with a few games left as with their current manager they were going down. We aren't in October yet. Also you keep saying Edwards, he wasn't offered the head coach job

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

No optimism from me, but you're comparing apples with oranges. GON was a last minute, right before the season appointment when the list of managers available was tiny. No-one worth their salt wants to come in at such short notice under those conditions.

If we were to look for a new one around Christmas or new year then there'd be a much bigger pool of people available and interested.

Hassunhutl and Potter were both available, why are we more attractive to either now than we were then?

Who else is likely to come in on a par with those and that we are likely to consider given our pitiful shortlist and previous attempts.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Those examples aren't comparable they were both done as desperation moves with a few games left as with their current manager they were going down. We aren't in October yet. Also you keep saying Edwards, he wasn't offered the head coach job

Jones was appointed in November, granted on the other two, but Hobbs was genuinely looking at giving Smith the full season a few weeks ago, so not sure how that lines up with what you're saying either.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Not wanting a change because of fear that the next appointment could be worse is abject surrender to the prospect of relegation. Simple as that.

 

[prawnking]

Replacing Lage with Loetegui "proving" that Fosun get it right is a red herring now isn't it?

That doesn't mean on any level they will be able to get a similarly capable manager now does it? How does it?

Who said we'd get a similarly capable manager? Better than what we've got would do

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Not wanting a change because of fear that the next appointment could be worse is abject surrender to the prospect of relegation. Simple as that.

Is it? I think even GON will get us more points than Sheff U, Luton, Burnley and probably one of the other strugglers.

A "roll of the dice' that so many seem to want and Smith or Lampard coming in would lessen that chance, no?

 

[Tony Towner]

but Hobbs was genuinely looking at giving Smith the full season a few weeks ago, so not sure how that lines up with what you're saying either.

Was he? Not doubting him being interviewed, but there's been nothing reported to suggest it wasn't always going to be O'Neill. I don't see an interview as "genuinely looking" to appoint. More likely a box tick.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Who said we'd get a similarly capable manager? Better than what we've got would do

As I keep saying I don't think we'll appoint someone better as Hobbs and Shi are incompetent.

 

[prawnking]

Jones was appointed in November, granted on the other two, but Hobbs was genuinely looking at giving Smith the full season a few weeks ago, so not sure how that lines up with what you're saying either.

Clubs can interview plenty of managers, how do you know who was close to being appointed and who wasn't?

For someone who fancies themselves as a bit of a Captain Nuance, you're making some pretty broad strokes with this odd, contrary position you've taken, mate

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Was he? Not doubting him being interviewed, but there's been nothing reported to suggest it wasn't always going to be O'Neill. I don't see an interview as "genuinely looking"

Of course if we interviewed him we were genuinely looking at him, time was apparently of the essence, we're not going to waste our time interviewing someone we aren't considering, now that's a strange take.

Neither Smith or Lampard should have been under any sort of consideration! The fact they were is terrifying.

 

[prawnking]

As I keep saying I don't think we'll appoint someone better as Hobbs and Shi are incompetent.

So, is it 'better than GON' or 'as capable as Lop'?

Cos there's a big spectrum in between