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Man Utd 1-0 Wolves: Verdict Thread

Not one you want to be playing if you are in the office!


Clear fave on that clip is the one where he sets up the chance for Silva. Superb challenge and simply refuses to give up
Agreed, it should be enjoyed at home with the family, young and old.
 
My favourite was with 10 mins to go and Onana had the ball. Seb said "if it carries on like this, United will win"

Cheers pal.

It felt like Goodman was trying really hard not to show any Wolves bias, particularly in the first half.

Oh and did anyone else notice that in the pre game line up photos they had Cunha as Nunes's picture!
The big earning pundits and experts haven't a clue about anything Wolves.

They should be embarrassed. Pundits are already backtracking on their Wolves predictions made a week ago...

Heard one of them say "I predicted Wolves to go down, but I've spoken to some Wolves fans and they say even though they've lost a few players only one was a starter"

FFS why wouldn't you already know that before sharing your "informed" opinion?
 
The big earning pundits and experts haven't a clue about anything Wolves.

They should be embarrassed. Pundits are already backtracking on their Wolves predictions made a week ago...

Heard one of them say "I predicted Wolves to go down, but I've spoken to some Wolves fans and they say even though they've lost a few players only one was a starter"

FFS why wouldn't you already know that before sharing your "informed" opinion?

This has been amusing. Rio Ferdinand proclaiming before the game united should not just win but 'hurt' us. That as we lost Raul he 'couldnt see where the goals would come from' haha.

Quick backtrack after 20 mins, dickhead
 
Indeed, props to Lopetegui and his team for getting the players as fit as they have. We're going to need it with how tiny the squad is, especially when we get into those Tuesday-Saturday weeks.
Unless you count League Cup games then we hardly have any of those. December is busy as it always is but nothing else.

We only have 3 games in October and 3 games in November.
 
My excitement from the positive performance being slightly dampened since by some OTT Wolves fan reactions to a non-scoring defeat (however unjust)...
 
Unless you count League Cup games then we hardly have any of those. December is busy as it always is but nothing else.

We only have 3 games in October and 3 games in November.

True. I think the hectic World Cup year last year has thrown me slightly...
 
This has been amusing. Rio Ferdinand proclaiming before the game united should not just win but 'hurt' us. That as we lost Raul he 'couldnt see where the goals would come from' haha.

Quick backtrack after 20 mins, dickhead
The least they could do is check Raúl's wiki page to see the big fat zero in the PL GF column last season.

If I cared about Ferdinand's opinion in the first place it would have me questioning if he had anything of any use to say about anything.

Pundits, do some fucking research so you don't look like a total cunt on telly.
 
Not really anything new here, but still good to see this being treated as the egregious fuckup it was.

Most notable to me is Salisbury's history of being unfit for the job.

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Credit: Dale Johnson @ ESPN

The VAR Review: Onana escapes injury-time penalty vs. Wolves​

Manchester United beat Wolverhampton Wanderers 1-0 at Old Trafford on Monday night, but it could have been very different for the visitors, who had a penalty appeal against André Onana turned down by the referee and the VAR in injury time.

How could it be that Wolves weren’t awarded a spot kick, and what happened?​

Possible penalty: Foul by Onana on Kalajdzic​

  • What happened: Wolves were trailing 1-0 in the sixth of seven added minutes. Pedro Neto swung in a cross from the right flank that Craig Dawson and Sasa Kalajdzic jumped to meet, with Onana rushing out to challenge. The United goalkeeper clattered into Kalajdzic, but referee Simon Hooper ignored claims for a penalty and the ball eventually went out for a goal kick. The VAR, Michael Salisbury, checked for a spot kick.
  • VAR decision: No penalty.

VAR review:​

As the clock ticked down to the end of the match, it had been fairly uneventful for the officials. Bar a handball shout against Nélson Semedo, who had his arms into his body, and a missed yellow card for a foul by Aaron Wan-Bissaka, there was little to report.

Then, deep into the stoppage time, came the incident that changed the complexion of the whole weekend. It was the kind of error that causes PGMOL, the body that runs refereeing in English football, major issues and sets back its attempts to show the organisation is changing.

Jon Moss, the direct manager of Premier League referees, was at Old Trafford. As soon as the final whistle was blown, he went to the Wolves’ dressing room to talk to Wolves boss Gary O’Neil and admit there had been a mistake. Howard Webb, the chief refereeing officer, also spoke to O’Neil personally to acknowledge the mistake.

Unlike under the previous regime at PGMOL, the error is acknowledged and action will be taken. Webb and his team have to wrestle with this, as such openness gives the impression of greater mistakes. Figures from the independent key match incidents panel indicate standards are improving, with errors significantly reduced in the second half of last season. But people remember the bad decisions, not the good.

With the high bar for intervention in the Premier League, it’s even more important that a VAR is able to identify when the referee hasn’t seen what he thinks he has. Otherwise there is too much weight on the on-field decision, and that strangles the purpose of the VAR.

When a check begins, the referee will describe the incident. So, if Hooper says he felt the goalkeeper didn’t quite get there and it was a coming together, there’s a base for the VAR to begin with. It’s then about recognising that description is no more than a loose fit. There has been a coming together, of sorts, but the way that Onana goes into his opponent clearly should be judged as a foul and a penalty kick.

Last season, Leeds United were denied a penalty at Wolves when goalkeeper José Sá caught the head of Rasmus Kristensen after the attacker had nodded the ball back across the area. Although Sá caught Kristensen with his glove, it was at least a genuine attempt to reach for the ball, with no penalty awarded.

Onana jumped through the air with box hands up in starfish fashion, presumably intending to block a header. However, he didn’t get anywhere near the ball, or the man who did head it (Dawson) and instead took out Kalajdzic with both arms and pulled him down to the ground.

Salisbury was the VAR for the Tottenham Hotspur vs. Brighton & Hove Albion game in April that had five contentious incidents; the independent panel ruled that there were three mistakes, but only one was a clear and obvious error not picked up by the VAR (the other two were referee mistakes.) Salisbury also missed handball offences for two West Ham goals against Fulham.

The new-look PGMOL is striving for accountability. Salisbury, Hooper and assistant VAR Richard West have been taken off duty for this coming weekend. This, of course, will be of no comfort to Wolves.

After the Brighton error, Salisbury was removed for the next matchweek, and wasn’t given another VAR appointment for 3½ weeks.

Although there will always be mistakes – it’s impossible to completely remove them from human decision-making – it’s these egregious errors that have to be eliminated: in added time at a Big Six club against the away team, who would have had the chance to claim a point. It feeds the narrative that smaller teams don’t get these decisions.

Despite the huge amount of work being done behind the scenes by Webb and his team, it was always going to be a long-term project to drive up standards; no matter how many coaches you appoint or training days you hold, it all comes back to good decision-making, on the field and in the VAR hub.

At the time of the incident, the Premier League Match Centre, which gives feedback on incidents during games, said the view was that it wasn’t a clear and obvious error by the referee. It didn’t come with much conviction.

“Jon Moss said it was a blatant penalty and should have been given – fair play to him, he apologised,” O’Neil said after the game. “But fair play to Jon for coming out and saying it was a clear and obvious error – he couldn’t believe the on-field referee didn’t give it and can’t believe VAR [video assistant referee] didn’t intervene.
 
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Man U definitely were lucky to come away with the 1-1 draw. They were outplayed all game. Thank god VAR stepped in and corrected the original decision or they would have gotten all 3 points. That's how it's supposed to work when the referee misses an obvious call.

Oh, wait...
 
Part of the problem is the frequent use of vague, meaningless, and subjective terms in refereeing. A ‘coming together’ tells you nothing about what happened. Much like ‘careless’ or ‘reckless’
 
Apologies if this has already been posted, but if we played to his instructions, it casts new our manager in a pretty impressive light.

 
Part of the problem is the frequent use of vague, meaningless, and subjective terms in refereeing. A ‘coming together’ tells you nothing about what happened. Much like ‘careless’ or ‘reckless’
"Reckless" means a play that disregards the safety of the opponent. It's just a ball game.

If you drive drunk to bring a dying passenger to the hospital, that's not necessarily criminal, because you have good reason to drive recklessly.
 
We've talked this to death, but this reaction to the non penalty decision from a Newcastle fan is pretty good.

 
Just makes me angry again.

Massive chaos behind the scenes at boardroom level, manager fucks off a week before, zero squad development in the transfer market, an under pressure manager because he is deemed underqualified and a tough fixture list to start.

We then play well and deserve at least a point but it’s robbed from us because of those cunts. Now we’re in a position where we could be on zero points after two games and unnecessary pressure is put on the trips to Everton and Palace before another tough home game.

Pressure we/the manager could do without from no fault of his own.
 
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