Loan Watch 2022/2023

[Johnny75]

Not especially, he'd be a bombscare with how high we ask our centre halves to be

Pointless debating somebody so entrenched in their views

 

[Harry J]

A sobering read for all those who were convinced Coady couldn't play in a 4.

2022/23 - Conor Coady

He’s one of our ownnnnnnn

www.grandoldteam.com

I still miss him. Took the dog for a walk earlier and watched them train for a bit. Still seems strange not having Coady there. For anyone that's interested Kilman was playing on the right and Toti on the left.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Pointless debating somebody so entrenched in their views

Irony alert yet again!

Not especially, he'd be a bombscare with how high we ask our centre halves to be

I'm not sure we are playing particularly higher at all? Higher than the 5, yes, but it's not as if we are Klopp's Liverpool by any stretch.

I just wasn't sure regarding Coady, I didn't think the sample size was big enough to suggest that he definitely couldn't or could, i also thought that obviously as such a massive character taking him out of the team would be a risk. But we were in poor form at the latter part of last season anyway. However, it has suited Lage to have such a big character leave!

I also doubt that any amount of experience will result in Collins passing the ball as well as Coady.

What i'm sure we can all agree on, shipping out ALL of Saiss, Coady and Boly was an error, Lage clearly feels we are exposed at CB now with how he dealt with the red card on Saturday, he shouldn't have let it get to a situation where all 3 of those left, or wanted to leave (Lage's fault). Yet here we are.

 

[Johnny75]

Irony alert yet again!



I'm not sure we are playing particularly higher at all? Higher than the 5, yes, but it's not as if we are Klopp's Liverpool by any stretch.

I just wasn't sure regarding Coady, I didn't think the sample size was big enough to suggest that he definitely couldn't or could, i also thought that obviously as such a massive character taking him out of the team would be a risk. But we were in poor form at the latter part of last season anyway. However, it has suited Lage to have such a big character leave!

I also doubt that any amount of experience will result in Collins passing the ball as well as Coady.

What i'm sure we can all agree on, shipping out ALL of Saiss, Coady and Boly was an error, Lage clearly feels we are exposed at CB now with how he dealt with the red card on Saturday, he shouldn't have let it get to a situation where all 3 of those left, or wanted to leave (Lage's fault). Yet here we are.

Nope.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I'm not really sure how you can have the audacity to call other people entrenched, when what you do is offer such wonderful input such as "you're wrong" and "nope" without any further explanation.

You're either incredibly ignorant, or you're a troll, perhaps it's a bit of both.

 

[Alan]

Not sure it does anyone any good to go on a "told you so" parade about Coady.

Can't we just be happy for the guy that he seems to be doing well there? Maybe once Bruno is gone there will be a way to get him back in the squad; maybe not. Time moves on.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Big reservation for me with Coady in a back four is how badly he defends one on one, unless he can get tight with someone receiving the ball with their back to goal he was pretty dreadful at it. Slow, weak and prone to selling himself far too easily it was a bombscare when he got isolated.

I saw those situations being far more likely for him in a back four so wouldn't have been desperate to put it to the test. I've only seen about 5 seconds of Everton this season though so no idea what context he's shining in. Did find it funny though that small sample was on Sunday, long ball up to Antonio against Coady, let it run across and turned but Coady just threw a leg across a bought him down for a booking. Must be something in the water up there because if that was back at Wolves he'd have either have been 10 yards off him and breezed past or been rolled easily and left for dead on half way.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Not sure it does anyone any good to go on a "told you so" parade about Coady.

Can't we just be happy for the guy that he seems to be doing well there? Maybe once Bruno is gone there will be a way to get him back in the squad; maybe not. Time moves on.

Well it's not a "told you so" is it?

I wasn't sure either way, but i was always surprised at how sure so many people were of themselves that it became a fact, particularly on here.

Either way, it's certainly interesting to read Everton fans opinions of him, who clearly believe he can.

 

[Johnny75]

I'm not really sure how you can have the audacity to call other people entrenched, when what you do is offer such wonderful input such as "you're wrong" and "nope" without any further explanation.

You're either incredibly ignorant, or you're a troll, perhaps it's a bit of both.

So just base level insults from you instead.

That'll help

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

So just base level insults from you instead.

That'll help

I'm purely trying to understand and articulate why you behave the way you do.

I'm not the only poster that you talk to the way you do with me, so as I said it's either who you are and you just can't help it, or as i said it's a game to you and you just do it for fun.

 

[Jinky]

A sobering read for all those who were convinced Coady couldn't play in a 4.

2022/23 - Conor Coady

He’s one of our ownnnnnnn

www.grandoldteam.com

Yeah, it's a bit shit watching another clubs fanbase fall in love with a player that was such a massive figure here for so long. For what it's worth, I don't think we'd have been any better or worse off with Coads in the starting 11 this season than Collins. Collins lost Kane for the Spurs winner, and although I doubt his sending off made any difference to the result v City, he didn't exactly help us. But there's smaller parts to his game that I'm not entirely sold on yet. That said, I think he'll eventually be the better player long term. But I definitely miss Coady as a character and as a man. As you say, sobering reading Everton fans gushing over his leadership qualities and regardless of people's opinion on whether he would/wouldn't have worked in a 4 here, it's difficult to argue against the opinion that we've strengthened a direct rival because their defence is better with him in it.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Hopefully in time, Lage will go and his replacement will get Collins and Kilman working at their best and looking back at Coady won't be something we do anymore, but that feels along way off at the moment!

As you say though, giving him to Everton, who are clearly a rival to us this season was moronic. (even if we did the best thing for Coady)

 

[Johnny75]

I'm purely trying to understand and articulate why you behave the way you do.

I'm not the only poster that you talk to the way you do with me, so as I said it's either who you are and you just can't help it, or as i said it's a game to you and you just do it for fun.

Oh petal, taking the moral high ground when you're posted an 'I told you so' post further up is adding to the hilarity.

If you don't like the way I post pop me on ignore.

I'll not be changing the way I post just for you though .

Happy to discuss this over DM if you want to take this further.

 

[Johnny75]

Yeah, it's a bit shit watching another clubs fanbase fall in love with a player that was such a massive figure here for so long. For what it's worth, I don't think we'd have been any better or worse off with Coads in the starting 11 this season than Collins. Collins lost Kane for the Spurs winner, and although I doubt his sending off made any difference to the result v City, he didn't exactly help us. But there's smaller parts to his game that I'm not entirely sold on yet. That said, I think he'll eventually be the better player long term. But I definitely miss Coady as a character and as a man. As you say, sobering reading Everton fans gushing over his leadership qualities and regardless of people's opinion on whether he would/wouldn't have worked in a 4 here, it's difficult to argue against the opinion that we've strengthened a direct rival because their defence is better with him in it.

I think Collins is miles better than Coady as a CB, height, pace and defending are a different class.

Mentally he needs work is agree.

Coady would not be able to play in Lage's system and he's had less than a half dozen games at Everton.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Oh petal, taking the moral high ground when you're posted an 'I told you so' post further up is adding to the hilarity.

But i didn't post an "i told you so" post, it was a discussion point that you've decided to come in all heavy handed on once again.

I wasn't sure about Coady, and i couldn't understand how it became a "fact" just because enough people said it enough times.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I think the objective evidence was that Coady isn't very quick, isn't great on the turn, isn't great in the air and is pretty terrible one on one. That all adds up. I can see why people would suspect he couldn't do it very well.

Ultimately even if we did think he was capable then he'd probably be first reserve, so 70-80% of the time on the bench at best, he was never sticking around for that.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Ultimately even if we did think he was capable then he'd probably be first reserve, so 70-80% of the time on the bench at best, he was never sticking around for that.

Then we should never have let both Saiss and Boly go too.

I thought when Lage made the decision to let all three of them go, it was because he had faith in those two as back up, but that's clearly not the case given his comments and how he didn't bring either of them on against City, so i fear for us over the next 3 games.

For what it's worth i'm not sure about Toti, he looks rash (although can't be anymore rash than Collins now..) and i've not seen anywhere near enough of Mosquera to have an opinion.

 

[Trips]

I think the objective evidence was that Coady isn't very quick, isn't great on the turn, isn't great in the air and is pretty terrible one on one. That all adds up. I can see why people would suspect he couldn't do it very well.

Ultimately even if we did think he was capable then he'd probably be first reserve, so 70-80% of the time on the bench at best, he was never sticking around for that.

You'd think he'd start the next 3, although knowing Lage he may well have played Neves there despite Coady being available

 

[Tony Towner]

I'm not sure we are playing particularly higher at all? Higher than the 5, yes, but it's not as if we are Klopp's Liverpool by any stretch

It's varied game to game, it was very high against Southampton and in the first half v Fulham for instance

I just wasn't sure regarding Coady, I didn't think the sample size was big enough to suggest that he definitely couldn't or could

Dan has already articulated all the reasons i think he couldn't. Without wishing to cop out I've not seen an Everton game so can't comment on whether the issues I had have been rectified/exaggerated by me or they are playing a deep line which assists with many of them. As for the leadership on the pitch I thought it was more of a meme than something tangible. For all the criticisms I can have about the way we are playing this year I don't see what he'd have done to have affected it, although obviously I'm not in the dressing room. He's very media savvy, but you only need to see some of his comments post leaving us to see that's all it is. On the link you posted he described the atmosphere at the derby as the best he'd ever played in exactly the same sort of fan friendly thing he said when he was here.

I also doubt that any amount of experience will result in Collins passing the ball as well as Coady.

Agreed, but again where Collins is often expected to pass it would leave Coady very vulnerable if we lost it.

What i'm sure we can all agree on, shipping out ALL of Saiss, Coady and Boly was an error, Lage clearly feels we are exposed at CB now with how he dealt with the red card on Saturday, he shouldn't have let it get to a situation where all 3 of those left, or wanted to leave (Lage's fault). Yet here we are.

Individually I don't have an issue with any of them leaving, we are a player short though which could really hurt over the next month. Have to remember that both Coady and Boly pretty much forced their ways out.

 

[AndyWolves]

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