Leicester (A) build up thread

[Wolfman09]

For me;

====================Patricio==========================

-------Dendonker-----------------Coady-----------------------------Boly-------------

---Jonny -------------------Moutinh0---------------Neves-----------------Vinagre---


---Cav/Traore-------------------Jiminez------------------------------Jota


Bennett, Doc and Costa were poor for me.

We need as much pace in team as possible against Leicester assuming Vardy plays

Playing Jonny on RWB and Vinagre on LWB gives more balance

 

[Jinky]

This was the Leicester line up for their opening fixture against Man Utd.

Schmeichel

Amartey
Morgan
Maguire
Chilwell

Adrien Silva
Ndidi

Ricardo Pereira
Maddison
Gray

Iheanacho

Substitutes
Evans, Vardy, Albrighton, Ward, Iborra, Fuchs, Ghezzal

They will almost certainly make a couple of changes. I suspect Vardy will come in for Iheanacho, Evans will come in for Morgan & they may even drop Pereira in to the back line (replacing Amartey who is shite) meaning Albrighton will come in on the right of midfield.

They'll be looking at this as a must win, already - first home game of the season, newly promoted opposition who (from the outside looking in, didn't look fantastic in their opener), plus they lost their opening fixture so will want to get off & running ASAP. Make no mistake, this will be a tough game.

Raul is going to have his work cut out coming up against Evans & Maguire. We will be relying on Jota & Costa having much better games than they did at the weekend, as Chilwell & Pereira are very good going forward but can be 'got at' going the other way. Vardy running at Coady is a slight concern, and Maddison is excellent at playing the little balls in behind and in to the channels - so we need to be aware of this too.

If you offered me a point now, I would snap your hand off.

 

[Tony Towner]

So he did not kick out at REicharlesohn for the free kick for the 1st goal and did ne not get nutmegged for 2nd ?

He committed the foul, but it's the type you see 10 times a game. If we are playing the blame game then you are looking at Boly for the weak header. Equally for the second there are 3 to blame ahead of Doherty - Bennett for getting too tight, Neves for not tracking the run (albeit he had a knock), Coady for not reacting to the situation and providing the screen for the bend into the corner. IMO if you are blaming him for the goals then it's because you are looking to.

 

[Dire Wolf]

For me;

====================Patricio==========================

-------Dendonker-----------------Coady-----------------------------Boly-------------

---Jonny -------------------Moutinh0---------------Neves-----------------Vinagre---


---Cav/Traore-------------------Jiminez------------------------------Jota


Bennett, Doc and Costa were poor for me.

We need as much pace in team as possible against Leicester assuming Vardy plays

Playing Jonny on RWB and Vinagre on LWB gives more balance

Not sure how you can say Bennett was poor, he was our best defender I thought. In fact, he was a close 2nd to Raul for our MOTM.

 

[Lord Knows]

I would bring in Saiss for Moutinho because he fills defensive holes far better than our current central two while also giving confidence to the back three and Doherty enabling them to be proactive performers. Its a tough game in which we will face a defensive examination.

 

[Wolfman09]

He committed the foul, but it's the type you see 10 times a game. If we are playing the blame game then you are looking at Boly for the weak header. Equally for the second there are 3 to blame ahead of Doherty - Bennett for getting too tight, Neves for not tracking the run (albeit he had a knock), Coady for not reacting to the situation and providing the screen for the bend into the corner. IMO if you are blaming him for the goals then it's because you are looking to.

No, it was a stupid foul to give awys and Boly actually won the header but the flight of the ball off his head cannoned into Keane and luickily fell to Richarleson,

No stupid fould = no goal

For second goal if he was not nutmegged then no chance of a goal - I agree others were also to blame but had he stopped the ball then no goal.

Doherty was great last season , like Bennett but both are weak links in this league IMO for club not to have bought a RWB to compete with Doc in last 2 windows is a big mistake IMO

 

[Deleted Cyber]

This is a tough call. Leicester looked good against United. A bit unlucky overall if reports and MOTD are to be believed.

I wouldnt change much about our team. Dendonker and Traore on the bench if they are fit enough. Bennett deserves his place on merit after Saturdays showing. If I was really really pushed and looking to change it would be Costa who was Poor on Saturday. Cav has more power and doesnt seem to go absent. That is something we have had with Costa before. Jota is in the can do better category but you really cant bin people off after one game. My disappointment was that several didnt reach their level of performance they showed consistently in the championship last season. Boly , Costa and Jota namely. But all should get the chance to put that right in this fixture. Doherty clearly impresses so I would be amazed if Nuno bins him after one game. His foul was unnecessary and ultimately it cost a goal but Boly has won that header 9/10 times and the ball gets cleared , so its not all on Doherty.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Can we just play the next game now! Agendas and bias all over the gaff this week.

 

[Lord Knows]

Can we just play the next game now! Agendas and bias all over the gaff this week.

Welcome to the goldfish bowl that is the Premier league where every car crash moment is scrutinised.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

No, it was a stupid foul to give awys and Boly actually won the header but the flight of the ball off his head cannoned into Keane and luickily fell to Richarleson,

No stupid fould = no goal

For second goal if he was not nutmegged then no chance of a goal - I agree others were also to blame but had he stopped the ball then no goal.

Doherty was great last season , like Bennett but both are weak links in this league IMO for club not to have bought a RWB to compete with Doc in last 2 windows is a big mistake IMO

Boly headers the ball properly on the freekick, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Neves tracks Richarlison, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Coady shows Richarlison outside rather than inside, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Doherty played a part in both goals conceded, but others played just as big a part in the goals too so it's silly just to stick it all on him because you don't like him.

 

[Johnny75]

Boly headers the ball properly on the freekick, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Neves tracks Richarlison, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Coady shows Richarlison outside rather than inside, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Doherty played a part in both goals conceded, but others played just as big a part in the goals too so it's silly just to stick it all on him because you don't like him.

I know you like being contrary for the sake of it Mark but if Doherty doesn't do those things then the others don't happen. Stop the cause and you don't have the consequences.

Once Doherty has fucked up then the others are to blame on a sliding scale as you say.

 

[malta mick]

Boly headers the ball properly on the freekick, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Neves tracks Richarlison, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Coady shows Richarlison outside rather than inside, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Doherty played a part in both goals conceded, but others played just as big a part in the goals too so it's silly just to stick it all on him because you don't like him.

i don't blame him for the goals - the first was a fluke, ball could have dropped anywhere for safety, the second was well taken. I do blame him for failing to add pace and direction to our attacks when he receives the ball. Instead of controlling the ball in his stride and charging forward, his first reaction is to turn inside or backwards and play it safe. He has oceans of space and should be exploiting it.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I know you like being contrary for the sake of it Mark but if Doherty doesn't do those things then the others don't happen. Stop the cause and you don't have the consequences.

Once Doherty has fucked up then the others are to blame on a sliding scale as you say.

Mistakes happen, it's pathetic to just ignore all the other errors by other players because they're further down the line, if that had the other way round and Boly had conceded a freekick on the left with Doherty ballbagging the header then I bet loads of people would be slating the poor defensive header and dismissing the freekick as one of those things that just happens but as it happened Doherty conceded the most ridiculous freekick anyone has ever seen and Boly has made a valiant attempt to defend what was certainly a sure thing of a goal from that position.

It's not about being contrary, much as you like to hang on that as your favourite buzzword, it's about having a different opinion to the fan club echo chamber, everyone loves the likes of Boly and Neves so they get away with these errors but beardy Matt is jumped on at every opportunity.

 

[east-coast-wolves]

Where does the cause start? The misplaced cross field ball for the first goal? Whoever put it out for a throw on the second? I think it's unfair to throw stick at Doherty.

Free kicks like the first are given away all the time in this league, it happens, you expect the defence to deal with it better. That's on Boly for a dreadful header.
On the second, Neves for letting his man run off him and Coady for poor closing down are again far more too blame.

I'm sure he will cost us goals at this level because he isn't good enough defensively but agendas are definitely at play here.

 

[Tony Towner]

Boly headers the ball properly on the freekick, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Neves tracks Richarlison, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Coady shows Richarlison outside rather than inside, no goal, why don't you blame him?

Doherty played a part in both goals conceded, but others played just as big a part in the goals too so it's silly just to stick it all on him because you don't like him.

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i don't blame him for the goals - the first was a fluke, ball could have dropped anywhere for safety, the second was well taken. I do blame him for failing to add pace and direction to our attacks when he receives the ball. Instead of controlling the ball in his stride and charging forward, his first reaction is to turn inside or backwards and play it safe. He has oceans of space and should be exploiting it.

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Where does the cause start? The misplaced cross field ball for the first goal? Whoever put it out for a throw on the second? I think it's unfair to throw stick at Doherty.

Free kicks like the first are given away all the time in this league, it happens, you expect the defence to deal with it better. That's on Boly for a dreadful header.
On the second, Neves for letting his man run off him and Coady for poor closing down are again far more too blame.

I'm sure he will cost us goals at this level because he isn't good enough defensively but agendas are definitely at play here.

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[MARKakaJIM]

i don't blame him for the goals - the first was a fluke, ball could have dropped anywhere for safety, the second was well taken. I do blame him for failing to add pace and direction to our attacks when he receives the ball. Instead of controlling the ball in his stride and charging forward, his first reaction is to turn inside or backwards and play it safe. He has oceans of space and should be exploiting it.

His first touch is usually pretty good with the long balls in my opinion, but often there is little point in him going balls to the wall to hit the byline and stick it in the box as there aren't generally many targets in there to aim for, he might be the one that makes the perceived negative pass but that doesn't always mean it's his fault, sometimes that's the best or even only option available.

 

[b3h]

Patricio
Bennett Coady Boly
Jonny Dendoncker Neves Vinagre
Costa Jimmy Jota

Would like to see this. Bennett continuing to play quite well and Dendoncker would give us a bit more in the middle. Moutinho can come on 2nd half if needed. Cav/Traore impact subs if needed

Not sure Dendoncker is ready. If not I'd still like to see the wingback change. FWIW Doherty wasn't too bad IMO, half the long balls to him were at head height and he had no choice but to head it back inside. He is super limited though (duh!) and surely Jonny could do better on his strong side.

 

[Carrotdude]

This was the Leicester line up for their opening fixture against Man Utd.

Schmeichel

Amartey
Morgan
Maguire
Chilwell

Adrien Silva
Ndidi

Ricardo Pereira
Maddison
Gray

Iheanacho

Substitutes
Evans, Vardy, Albrighton, Ward, Iborra, Fuchs, Ghezzal

They will almost certainly make a couple of changes. I suspect Vardy will come in for Iheanacho, Evans will come in for Morgan & they may even drop Pereira in to the back line (replacing Amartey who is shite) meaning Albrighton will come in on the right of midfield.

They'll be looking at this as a must win, already - first home game of the season, newly promoted opposition who (from the outside looking in, didn't look fantastic in their opener), plus they lost their opening fixture so will want to get off & running ASAP. Make no mistake, this will be a tough game.

Raul is going to have his work cut out coming up against Evans & Maguire. We will be relying on Jota & Costa having much better games than they did at the weekend, as Chilwell & Pereira are very good going forward but can be 'got at' going the other way. Vardy running at Coady is a slight concern, and Maddison is excellent at playing the little balls in behind and in to the channels - so we need to be aware of this too.

If you offered me a point now, I would snap your hand off.

Good point about Vardy, him running against Coady is a concern especially if they go for the quick ball over the top. Maddison troubles us last year and could see him doing so again, he picks up great positions between the lines so Neves and Moutinho will need to be aware. Might be worth Saiss playing to keep an eye on him.

 

[Johnny75]

Where does the cause start? The misplaced cross field ball for the first goal? Whoever put it out for a throw on the second? I think it's unfair to throw stick at Doherty.

Free kicks like the first are given away all the time in this league, it happens, you expect the defence to deal with it better. That's on Boly for a dreadful header.
On the second, Neves for letting his man run off him and Coady for poor closing down are again far more too blame.

I'm sure he will cost us goals at this level because he isn't good enough defensively but agendas are definitely at play here.

Mistakes happen, it's pathetic to just ignore all the other errors by other players because they're further down the line

Cause and effect? Try looking at facts first and critical path/ events.

Oh and if you read my post you'll see that after the fuck ups by Doc it then goes in a sliding scale of who's fault it is, including Boly (1st), Bennett, Neves and Coady (2nd). You get punished for individual mistakes at this level and it is no coincidence that both goals came down our right side.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Cause and effect? Try looking at facts first and critical path/ events.

Oh and if you read my post you'll see that after the fuck ups by Doc it then goes in a sliding scale of who's fault it is, including Boly (1st), Bennett, Neves and Coady (2nd). You get punished for individual mistakes at this level and it is no coincidence that both goals came down our right side.

Lecturing a planner on critical path. Priceless.