Keir Starmer at it again..

[leedswolf]

https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/employment/labour-delivers-on-its-promise-to-workers/

 

[Jolemai]

How can anyone think the answer is Wes Streeting to improving Labour?

 

[prawnking]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2001919370373796121

Oh we know Chris. We know.

Do you think the purpose of trade unions is just to be militant and adversarial towards bosses?

 

[Templeton Peck]

Do you think the purpose of trade unions is just to be militant and adversarial towards bosses?

Their job is to secure the best possible pay and conditions for their members.

 

[Tredman]

That’s a bit pointless when the employer becomes unsustainable

 

[prawnking]

Their job is to secure the best possible pay and conditions for their members.

That's the AI definition but it doesn't answer my question, which was about what you think

 

[Templeton Peck]

That’s a bit pointless when the employer becomes unsustainable

I don't know what this means.

 

[Templeton Peck]

That's the AI definition but it doesn't answer my question, which was about what you think

I don't differ from the AI response.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I don't know what this means.

If union demands on wages send the company into administration then all those union members have rather lost out haven't they?

 

[Templeton Peck]

So Unions shouldn't look to secure best possible terms and conditions for their members??

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

No, I didn't say that, but it has to also be tempered with a little bit of balance and bigger picture. A smaller pay rise is rather better than everyone on the dole if the company goes belly up.

 

[darlowolf64]

We are heading for a vote for industrial action because Network Rail are (as usual) being a set of cunts.

Every year they drag out the talks into the middle of the year hoping that the lure of the back pay will make us weaker, make low-ball offers and try to make cuts to staff and conditions We asked that the talks start in October (the pay rise is from 1st Jan). They rocked up in October and immediately adjourned the meeting when we made our demand, delayed and cancelled 3 further meetings till 2nd December and then adjourned again to the 18th for after the interest rates came out.

RPI is 3.8 so they offered 3.5 saying we will have to make savings to get any more than that…

Okay, get rid of the bonus scheme because the only people who get it every year are the managers and the top ones get an insane amount
Nope, can’t do that, can’t stop the big bosses getting their 300k plus bonuses on top of their obscene wages

Fuck the managers

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Now, that is different. What I am trying to say is that OUTLANDISH demands that will actually put a business in danger isn't really a good negotiating tool. But, a demand that is at the top end of acceptable (or even beyond, so you negotiate back to the top end of what you want) is absolutely a union doing its job well. Push for what is the best you can get absolutely, but asking for the moon and the stars is not the same.