Keir Starmer at it again..

[Papper]

I don't think momentum will go away and he will have difficulty uniting the party. If it's a case of mass change to appease the electorate then the perception (IMO) is a return to the centre ground and the whole reactionary process will begin all over again. The electorate tend to move either hard left of hard right - we've seen it with Trump. Essentially millions of people in the UK maybe the world are pissed off with Politicians who enmasse don't seem to be capable of doing anything apart from towing the corporate globalist line that is fucking the world up.

 

[Papper]

Kind of feels like he’s neither to be fair...

This is what I was trying to ascertain earlier.

 

[Del Woppio]

Pleased for the country, Starmer is the best man for the job. Also personally pleased to have broken a lifelong duck; it's the first time ever that somebody I've voted for has been elected!

 

[Premier Quality]

The electorate tend to move either hard left of hard right - we've seen it with Trump.

I’m not sure that’s the case - it’s just that electorates have had a lot of extreme candidates to vote for in recent time’s - JCorbz was hilariously extreme even in comparison to Boris, and Hilary was considered an even worse candidate than Trump - put someone vaguely sensible and presentable in from the middle ground in either of those elections, there’s a more than decent chance they would have won.

 

[Premier Quality]

Im hoping he does well - an effective opposition is really important to help maintain high standards, and I’m hoping he can drag the whole system a bit more centrally.

I need to do a new signature too!

 

[Templeton Peck]

Starmer shows he's serious about antisemitism by appointing to his shadow cabinet an MP who called a Nazi sympathiser her 'hero' just a few weeks ago and then refused to apologise.

 

[Tredman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

 

[Tony Towner]

Burgon gone. He's doing all the right things so far

 

[Papper]

I’m not sure that’s the case - it’s just that electorates have had a lot of extreme candidates to vote for in recent time’s - JCorbz was hilariously extreme even in comparison to Boris, and Hilary was considered an even worse candidate than Trump - put someone vaguely sensible and presentable in from the middle ground in either of those elections, there’s a more than decent chance they would have won.

A living wage, Health, welfare and other public services etc. These were not being delivered by the centre-ground. You've then got a minority who will spew hatred and scapegoat others but then a sizeable crowd who will see a redistribution of wealth and/or population control as the answers.

 

[Tony Towner]

Ed Miliband is back at business and Energy. No job for Yvette Cooper - assuming she wanted one.

 

[Premier Quality]

A living wage, Health, welfare and other public services etc. These were not being delivered by the centre-ground. You've then got a minority who will spew hatred and scapegoat others but then a sizeable crowd who will see a redistribution of wealth and/or population control as the answers.

Not that sizeable going by the fact they lost so many seats?

 

[Paul]

Do you feel he could ever galvanise the party (within reason, you'll never make everybody happy)

 

[Papper]

Not that sizeable going by the fact they lost so many seats?

But you would appreciate that when the centre ground doesn't and hasn't worked people will be swayed by promises of the redistribution of wealth and population control. Now one is a surge to the left and the other a surge to right. I don't equate a surge to the left as a clamour for Stalin or Mao or a surge to the right a clamour for Hitler. I've always thought a corporate backlash will occur when people finally and completely give up on politicians. Capitalism and it's bi-product of consumerism/debt will be rejected.

 

[Paul]

Population control is a surge to the right ?? There's only China I can think of that actively do that and I've never thought of the as right wing ?

There have been certain extreme right wing elements that have tried to control other countries population, but I don't think you mean them do you ?

 

[leedswolf]

Population control is a surge to the right ?? There's only China I can think of that actively do that and I've never thought of the as right wing ?

There have been certain extreme right wing elements that have tried to control other countries population, but I don't think you mean them do you ?

If you consider social engineering/eugenics as population control then I would consider those policies to be right wing. However, those policies aren't exclusively right wing either.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Stephen Bush @stephenkb

We have chaos and Ed Miliband, they're just not evenly distributed.

Very good :icon_lol:

 

[Templeton Peck]

Pleased with the cabinet. Right of the party largely ignored apart from a Mickey mouse job for Reeves.

 

[SLA]

Just catching up with this thread. I don't understand the calls for Starmer to be given some sort of official role in the corona crisis, or for there to be a national unity government. The Tories have a thumping majority - the first party in ages to have one - and Labour (of which Starmer was a part) were rejected in no uncertain terms at the last election. I know it's a time of crisis, but the Tories need to get on and do the job they were elected to do - govern. Labour need to act like a proper opposition and offer constructive help and criticism.

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[Papper]

Population control is a surge to the right ?? There's only China I can think of that actively do that and I've never thought of the as right wing ?

There have been certain extreme right wing elements that have tried to control other countries population, but I don't think you mean them do you ?

I was thinking more of controlling immigration ie Freedom of Movement and not necessarily birth control, but there are advocates of population control like Bill Gates. Apparently the Gates foundation helps fund Neil Ferguson who seems to be one of the media darlings on Coronavirus.

https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_innovating_to_zero/transcript?language=en

" First, we've got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent. But there, we see an increase of about 1.3 "

 

[Premier Quality]

A good start by KS

Keir Starmer has been praised by Jewish leaders for achieving “in four days more than his predecessor in four years” after he held a video conference to set out steps Labour would be taking to stamp out antisemitism.

Starmer, who replaced Jeremy Corbyn as party leader on Saturday, told the meeting that he had asked for all outstanding investigations into antisemitism within the party to be “on my desk at the end of the week