Johnny75

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Who has said you were lying?

It is my prerogative and I don't believe it happened, but we aren't going to agree on it so probably best we just draw a line under it and leave it here.

Oh, and funnily enough, you (Trips) "laughed" at the post where i explained what happened in person too, so for you now to be asking where the implication i am lying has come from is particularly interesting given your response.

 

[Stan Hullis]

If nobody heard Johnny whispering commie repeatedly into your ear over a pint in the pub and cannot therefore verify what you are saying then I apologise for not believing it.

If that by deduction means you are lying then I can’t really help the facts but it is not done in a way to attack you. It is what it is.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Telling someone you don't believe them, is surely accusing them of lying!?

Are you arguing that now?

 

[prawnking]

I want to use the laughing emoji here, but am afraid it could be interpreted as laughing at you instead of with you.

We need all the laughter we can get on here right now mate so knock yourself out, whatever the context!

 

[UKYankieWWFC]

Never really conversed with Johnny much, however it seems as an observation this thread is more interesting and has more posts / replies to it than the coffee thread and quietly catching up with the Ukraine thread...
Does this mean we are more passionate about Johnny than coffee...?

 

[darlowolf64]

Never really conversed with Johnny much, however it seems as an observation this thread is more interesting and has more posts / replies to it than the coffee thread and quietly catching up with the Ukraine thread...
Does this mean we are more passionate about Johnny than coffee...?

Yes Ray, yes it does...

 

[Trips]

Oh, and funnily enough, you (Trips) "laughed" at the post where i explained what happened in person too, so for you now to be asking where the implication i am lying has come from is particularly interesting given your response.

You said you had been called a liar, just checking it isn't me you're accusing of that. I asked who called you a liar (I haven't) - you believe whatever implication you like.

I don't believe your version, it's highly likely I would have been in the pub at that time and recall no such thing happening. Doesn't mean I'm calling you a liar. My wife tells me she saw a ghost when she was younger, I don't believe that nonsense, doesn't mean she's lying. She may well believe it

 

[Kenny]

Doing nowt sir, bar trying to get people facing away from each other where needed.

My job here is done

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

You said you had been called a liar, just checking it isn't me you're accusing of that. I asked who called you a liar (I haven't) - you believe whatever implication you like.

I don't believe your version, it's highly likely I would have been in the pub at that time and recall no such thing happening. Doesn't mean I'm calling you a liar. My wife tells me she saw a ghost when she was younger, I don't believe that nonsense, doesn't mean she's lying. She may well believe it

Vast difference though isn't there, you believe your wife to be mistaken.

You believe me to not be telling the truth.

 

[Stan Hullis]

Vast difference though isn't there, you believe your wife to be mistaken.

You believe me to not be telling the truth.

Well that just the nature of making an accusation against somebody and them denying it happened, isn't it? One side has to be lying by it's very nature.

From the evidence I've seen, I believe the other side to you. It is what is is and due to the reputation of the other person involved on this forum, I wouldn't worry that this is going to tarnish you too much and follow you around for the rest of your life.

Maybe we can leave it here and draw a line under it, accept that both parties aren't going to be happy and live our lives. Otherwise it will be dragged out at various opportunities for the foreseeable future and just become another topic of circular argument to bore everybody else with.

Sometimes there just is no pleasing both sides.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I have to say, i do admire your loyalty to your friend folks, no matter what he has done and how many people say, how much of it was done in plain sight, you will continue to back him, argue on his behalf, or just dismiss what people say as being a lie.

There are many, many cases this could be compared to in real life i'm sure.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Well that just the nature of making an accusation against somebody and them denying it happened, isn't it? One side has to be lying by it's very nature.

From the evidence I've seen, I believe the other side to you. It is what is is and due to the reputation of the other person involved on this forum, I wouldn't worry that this is going to tarnish you too much and follow you around for the rest of your life.

Maybe we can leave it here and draw a line under it, accept that both parties aren't going to be happy and live our lives. Otherwise it will be dragged out at various opportunities for the foreseeable future and just become another topic of circular argument to bore everybody else with.

Sometimes there just is no pleasing both sides.

I mean, he literally called TP on this forum, exactly what he called me in person, so i have no idea why you believe he wouldn't do it in person to me!

It's not even a huge deal in isolation, but as part of all the other aspects of how he has treated me over the years it forms a part of thoughts on this whole situation!

 

[Stan Hullis]

I have to say, i do admire your loyalty to your friend folks, no matter what he has done and how many people say, how much of it was done in plain sight, you will continue to back him, argue on his behalf, or just dismiss what people say as being a lie.

There are many, many similarities this could be compared to i'm sure.

I actually think he acts like a prick on here and don't agree with everything he has done/said and probably does deserve some time off, permanent or not.

I also have enough emotional intelligence to separate the online persona to the one I have met multiple times over many years and doesn't reconcile with the accusation made. Everything is not black and white, there is nuance and shades of grey everywhere.

 

[Stan Hullis]

I mean, he literally called TP on this forum, exactly what he called me in person, so i have no idea why you believe he wouldn't do it in person to me!

It's not even a huge deal in isolation, but as part of all the other aspects of how he has treated me over the years it forms a part of thoughts on this whole situation!

Because I have been to multiple games and meet ups in the pub beforehand and it has never been a situation where it is abusive or any kind of abuse would be tolerated by the group of people who are there. So yes, your version of events goes against my own experience and therefore seems strange which is why I have asked other people about and it and pursued it.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I actually think he acts like a prick on here and don't agree with everything he has done/said and probably does deserve some time off, permanent or not.

I also have enough emotional intelligence to separate the online persona to the one I have met multiple times over many years and doesn't reconcile with the accusation made. Everything is not black and white, there is nuance and shades of grey everywhere.

I totally agree with the latter point, which is why when people think i'm just bellyaching about a few reaction emojies, or him telling me i'm a cunt a couple of times they're missing the point.

There has been a sustained period of him treating me aggressively and shitty in multiple different ways, and i am not alone here.

Also, i have met him in person too, and it wasn't a good experience then either!

 

[Stan Hullis]

Maybe we can leave it here and draw a line under it, accept that both parties aren't going to be happy and live our lives. Otherwise it will be dragged out at various opportunities for the foreseeable future and just become another topic of circular argument to bore everybody else with.

Sometimes there just is no pleasing both sides.

I'll refer myself back to the above and leave it there, I think we have made our points.

 

[White Wolf]

I have to say, i do admire your loyalty to your friend folks, no matter what he has done and how many people say, how much of it was done in plain sight, you will continue to back him, argue on his behalf, or just dismiss what people say as being a lie.

There are many, many cases this could be compared to in real life i'm sure.

This illustrates quite well my point about derailing the thread, accusations flying round because some members have met him outside of the forum. I'm hoping for clarity about the moderation but instead I look at the thread and it's the EP show. It's a pretty valiant effort at trying to wind people up I'll admit.

The contributions you're making in this thread aren't in good faith. I'll await more direction from staff instead.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

This illustrates quite well my point about derailing the thread, accusations flying round because some members have met him outside of the forum. I'm hoping for clarity about the moderation but instead I look at the thread and it's the EP show. It's a pretty valiant effort at trying to wind people up I'll admit.

The contributions you're making in this thread aren't in good faith. I'll await more direction from staff instead.

If you want a diversion, how do you feel about someone who has met you personally a dozen or so times thinking your real name was either Will or Wilf until about three hours ago?

I won't say who it was. Except it's not me.

 

[Trips]

If you want a diversion, how do you feel about someone who has met you personally a dozen or so times thinking your real name was either Will or Wilf until about three hours ago?

I won't say who it was. Except it's not me.

I'm happy to reveal who, for a price

 

[White Wolf]

If you want a diversion, how do you feel about someone who has met you personally a dozen or so times thinking your real name was either Will or Wilf until about three hours ago?

I won't say who it was. Except it's not me.

Will or Wilf?! Christ. I'm very curious now!