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Jeremy Corbyn

Yes. Because 'voting for anyone but x' without any sense of focus is going to mobilise everyone and snatch the victory from Corbyn isn't it? Because voting in this way doesn't at all run the risk of diluting the anti-Corbyn vote across three candidates and therefore strengthens his position at all. What idiocy is this?
 
The problem seems to be candidates trying to avoid Corbyn getting second and third choice votes while ignoring the rather more pertinent fact that he is pushing toward 60% of the first choices.
 
One thing that makes me laugh a little is that they go on and on about Corbyn making them unelectable yet Danczuk (sp.) has already said that if Corbyn does get the job there will be a coup in the offing from the very moment his victory is confirmed. That to me would make them far more unelectable than giving the leadership to a man who appears to best represent traditional Labour values.
 
It's all about Labour MP's and supporters being divided by those that would like to see another Labour Govenment and those that historiclly are more happy when they don't have the responsibility of running the Country.
Corbyn will win, he'll have plenty of supporters as can be seen from the posts on here, the Tories wiil win the 2020 General election with a majority akin to Blairs 1997 win, eventually when Labour have got this period of protest out of its system or the Tories fuck up as they usually do, they'll decide they want to form a Government again probably elect that ex Soldier if he's still around and the business of the early eighties to the late nineties will start all over again.
 
ROVERT47 said:
It's all about Labour MP's and supporters being divided by those that would like to see another Labour Govenment and those that historiclly are more happy when they don't have the responsibility of running the Country.
Corbyn will win, he'll have plenty of supporters as can be seen from the posts on here, the Tories wiil win the 2020 General election with a majority akin to Blairs 1997 win, eventually when Labour have got this period of protest out of its system or the Tories $#@! up as they usually do, they'll decide they want to form a Government again probably elect that ex Soldier if he's still around and the business of the early eighties to the late nineties will start all over again.
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Nearly 6.5 million people voted for SNP, Green or UKIP which suggests there is a significant number of voters who don't agree with the centrist narrative put forward by Labour, Tories and Lib Dems. To suggest that Jeremy Corbyn's leadership would see a sizeable shift of voters turning from Labour to Conservative which would be required for there to be anything close to Blair's 1997 majority is fanciful - unless the right of the Labour Party run away again like the SDP. What is more likely to happen is a Labour Party revival in Scotland and an for those who deserted Labour to UKIP to come back once the referendum has effectively neutered UKIP.

Those that see politics only about power...miss the point. A healthy democratic political party must have aspirations more noble than just seeking power, government is not the only vehicle for change...at least it shouldn't be.
 
I think you can discount UKIP supporters especially when they find out what Corbyn's views are on immigration, Scotland could be independent by 2020, i agree with your last paragraph.

I may have been over the top with the Blair 1997 win but the Tories will be returned to power with a far healthier majority than the have now.
 
Not that much healthier, I don't think. Unless there is a complete split in the Labour Party and the followers of Blairite politics set up their own party separate from Corbyn's Labour, and then those two parties cannibalise each other's vote.
 
I can only imagine David Cameron and co. are rubbing their hands together at the amount of infighting in the Labour Party at the moment. It's depressing.

I'll be voting for Jeremy Corbyn. Simply because, as The Saturday Boy (I think!) said on the first page, his beliefs and political narrative aligns with my own. I didn't even find May 7th the most depressing political event of the year, I found Labour refusing to oppose the Welfare bill far more gut wrenching. I work in the public sector - as most people know - and the portrayal of public sector workers by the Conservative Party and rightwing media is nothing short of baffling. The public sector has had £700,000 worth of cuts so far with more to follow (it's about quadruple more than any other sector) and most Arts Council funded organisations - one of which I work for - aren't sure they'll keep the funding they were promised for five years or even see this year out. Sadly, those who voted for a Conservative majority appeared to believe the mantra that people in my sector are draining the country's budget and caused the economic crash under Gordon Brown - which was worldwide! Don't get me wrong: you don't work in the Arts for money, but you don't expect the very little you have to be taken away from you.

I suspect I'm preaching to the choir, but I can't compute why any country would vote for such a dystopian government; where its members are regularly whoring themselves about in the press rubbishing those who have made a living from Education and the Arts in favour of prioritising more methodical subjects. I'm sorry I wasn't better at working out percentages and the area of a rectangle in school, Nicky Morgan!

I haven't seen any improvement in five years. All I've seen is education nosediving where, by the way, I can get a job as a Maths teacher because I have a Maths GCSE (!); arts and culture organisations outside of the West End gradually reducing its numbers of full-time staff to the extent where I know of theatres working all hours of the day with less than 10 members of staff and an NHS where A&E departments are overworked and in disarray.

I went off on a bit of a tangent there, but Labour's silence over all of this is fucking depressing. The only person who has come out and spoken about it in the press is - you guessed it - Jeremy Corbyn. I haven't seen anything from the other three apart from scaremongering and mud-slinging. And they're not scaremongering and mud-slinging because they care about the Labour Party, they're scaremongering and mud-slinging because they want the final victory in 2020 even if it means moving ever-so-slightly into Tory territory. That is fucking depressing.
 
Wolvensam said:
I can only imagine David Cameron and co. are rubbing their hands together at the amount of infighting in the Labour Party at the moment. It's depressing.

I'll be voting for Jeremy Corbyn. Simply because, as The Saturday Boy (I think!) said on the first page, his beliefs and political narrative aligns with my own. I didn't even find May 7th the most depressing political event of the year, I found Labour refusing to oppose the Welfare bill far more gut wrenching. I work in the public sector - as most people know - and the portrayal of public sector workers by the Conservative Party and rightwing media is nothing short of baffling. The public sector has had £700,000 worth of cuts so far with more to follow (it's about quadruple more than any other sector) and most Arts Council funded organisations - one of which I work for - aren't sure they'll keep the funding they were promised for five years or even see this year out. Sadly, those who voted for a Conservative majority appeared to believe the mantra that people in my sector are draining the country's budget and caused the economic crash under Gordon Brown - which was worldwide! Don't get me wrong: you don't work in the Arts for money, but you don't expect the very little you have to be taken away from you.

I suspect I'm preaching to the choir, but I can't compute why any country would vote for such a dystopian government; where its members are regularly whoring themselves about in the press rubbishing those who have made a living from Education and the Arts in favour of prioritising more methodical subjects. I'm sorry I wasn't better at working out percentages and the area of a rectangle in school, Nicky Morgan!

I haven't seen any improvement in five years. All I've seen is education nosediving where, by the way, I can get a job as a Maths teacher because I have a Maths GCSE (!); arts and culture organisations outside of the West End gradually reducing its numbers of full-time staff to the extent where I know of theatres working all hours of the day with less than 10 members of staff and an NHS where A&E departments are overworked and in disarray.

I went off on a bit of a tangent there, but Labour's silence over all of this is fucking depressing. The only person who has come out and spoken about it in the press is - you guessed it - Jeremy Corbyn. I haven't seen anything from the other three apart from scaremongering and mud-slinging. And they're not scaremongering and mud-slinging because they care about the Labour Party, they're scaremongering and mud-slinging because they want the final victory in 2020 even if it means moving ever-so-slightly into Tory territory. That is fucking depressing.
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Great post Wolvensam

Maybe the fact that they're all shitting themselves to discredit Corbyn is a compliment to him. He stands out from the other 3 plastic politicians as a real candidate who is true to Labour's core values rather than crawling up Tory arses
 
So who are people swaying towards in the election for Deputy Leader?
I think this vote could be as important as the main Leadership election. I am currently "torn" between Tom Watson and Stella Creasy. Both seem happy to work with whoever is elected leader and both seem to be saying the right things regarding the direction the Labour Party will head. Decisions, decisions!
 
Lupo said:
Great post Wolvensam

Maybe the fact that they're all $#@!ting themselves to discredit Corbyn is a compliment to him. He stands out from the other 3 plastic politicians as a real candidate who is true to Labour's core values rather than crawling up Tory arses
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I have to say I haven't heard any of the other three's policies, apart from Andy Burnham rubbishing the Help to Buy Scheme. I couldn't even tell you what Yvette Cooper believes. I don't think she has ever said publicly. Unless she has and I've just missed it?
 
Wolvensam said:
I have to say I haven't heard any of the other three's policies, apart from Andy Burnham rubbishing the Help to Buy Scheme. I couldn't even tell you what Yvette Cooper believes. I don't think she has ever said publicly. Unless she has and I've just missed it?
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For what it's worth I thought your post was great also, I don't have a problem whatsoever about Jeremy Corbyn becoming leader, as everyone has pointed out it'll be a nice change to have a genuine alternative to Tory centralist policy, Coalition centralist policy or Labour centralist policy.
And there lies the problem the electorate want middle of the road Govenment and although those of us that are on the left might not think the Tories are middle of the road most of the electorate do, so my vote will go to someone who I think will appeal to those that very rarely engage in politics.
 
ROVERT47 said:
For what it's worth I thought your post was great also, I don't have a problem whatsoever about Jeremy Corbyn becoming leader, as everyone has pointed out it'll be a nice change to have a genuine alternative to Tory centralist policy, Coalition centralist policy or Labour centralist policy.
And there lies the problem the electorate want middle of the road Govenment and although those of us that are on the left might not think the Tories are middle of the road most of the electorate do, so my vote will go to someone who I think will appeal to those that very rarely engage in politics.
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Earlier in this thread, you said you would be voting for Yvette Cooper. While it is of course your prerogative to change your mind, have you now decided to back Corbyn?

Personally, I think it is vital to have a strong opposition. I remember only too well the Conservative party tearing themselves apart in the late nineties. Labour are doing similar now. They need a leader who will unite the different factions within the party. And sadly for Labour, they may have to go through two or three leaders ( as the Conservatives did) before they find the right person to take the Labour Party forward.
 
Still voting for Yvette Cooper for the reasons I gave earlier.
I don't have a problem with Corbyn being leader because for me personally it doesn't really matter whether we have a Tory or a Labour Government.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
Earlier in this thread, you said you would be voting for Yvette Cooper. While it is of course your prerogative to change your mind, have you now decided to back Corbyn?

Personally, I think it is vital to have a strong opposition. I remember only too well the Conservative party tearing themselves apart in the late nineties. Labour are doing similar now. They need a leader who will unite the different factions within the party. And sadly for Labour, they may have to go through two or three leaders ( as the Conservatives did) before they find the right person to take the Labour Party forward.
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Cameron might be good for the Tory party, but he has been a disaster for the country.
 
ROVERT47 said:
It's all about Labour MP's and supporters being divided by those that would like to see another Labour Govenment and those that historiclly are more happy when they don't have the responsibility of running the Country.
Corbyn will win, he'll have plenty of supporters as can be seen from the posts on here, the Tories wiil win the 2020 General election with a majority akin to Blairs 1997 win, eventually when Labour have got this period of protest out of its system or the Tories $#@! up as they usually do, they'll decide they want to form a Government again probably elect that ex Soldier if he's still around and the business of the early eighties to the late nineties will start all over again.
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Probably not too far off that.
 
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