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Jeremy Corbyn

The only worry for me (as a non labour fan) is that if Corbyn gets in, labour will get nowhere near power and the party will conclude that having someone with genuine beliefs and character is a bad thing, and go back to more faceless drones like the other three candidates.

I personally think strongly held views are generally a positive thing in politics.
 
ROVERT47 said:
Still voting for Yvette Cooper for the reasons I gave earlier.
I don't have a problem with Corbyn being leader because for me personally it doesn't really matter whether we have a Tory or a Labour Government.
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I listened to an interview with Yvette Cooper and she just sounded like a female Miliband! Put me off completely with her wishy-washy Blairite musings.
 
Shoul have worded it better, I should have said, doesn't make much difference to my lifestyle, as Corbyn being elected leader will surely lead to at least one more Tory Govenment.
 
I wonder if the media will paint the horror picture of the country being led by a bumbling buffoon clattering around in a real life version of a Richard Curtis film if Boris wins the Tory leadership, much as we've heard the scare stories of how Corbyn wants to make Britain a replica of 1930s Russia? Of course we all know that Boris isn't *really* the idiot that he pretends to be, but in the interests of balance...
 
I've been thinking about that myself, Boris will obviously be portrayed as everyone's daft eccentric Uncle/Cousin and just the breath of fresh air that the Country are crying out for.
While the rabid right wing media will be waiting in hope that Corbyn will turn up at the Cenotaph on Remberance Sunday wearing a 'Donkey Jacket'.
 
As many as nine members of Labour’s current Shadow Cabinet are ready to quit if the Islington North MP wins, and many MPs are preparing to join the Labour for the Common Good group, set up by Chuka Umunna and Tristram Hunt, which aims to bring together the soft left, old right, Brownites and Blairites as a moderate pressure group in anticipation of a Corbyn victory.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-the-next-election-poll-reveals-10457458.html
 
Premier Quality said:
The only worry for me (as a non labour fan) is that if Corbyn gets in, labour will get nowhere near power and the party will conclude that having someone with genuine beliefs and character is a bad thing, and go back to more faceless drones like the other three candidates.

I personally think strongly held views are generally a positive thing in politics.
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My concern too - as a Labour fan. Politics should be about providing alternatives which is what Corbyn is doing. Like I said, I haven't heard much from the other three candidates in terms of their policies so if there is an article somewhere then please point me in its direction. I want to get this Tory government out at the first available opportunity, believe me, but I'm wary of three candidates (well, two as Burnham hasn't said it directly) who lambast Corbyn as being unelectable and damaging. Damaging in what way? It's not just about the final victory and moving as close to the middle, or right, as you can get to achieve that.

I had to smirk the other day when Yvette Cooper claimed she was more revolutionary than the white, middle-class Corbyn as she's a woman. If that's enough to win votes then I despair. If anyone other than Corbyn or maybe Burnham (he doesn't seem too bad) gets elected then I'm voted Green at the next election. The other two are going to take a Labour far away from what it should be, and the 2020 election is just going to be another willy waving fest.
 
thehistorymakers said:
As many as nine members of Labour’s current Shadow Cabinet are ready to quit if the Islington North MP wins, and many MPs are preparing to join the Labour for the Common Good group, set up by Chuka Umunna and Tristram Hunt, which aims to bring together the soft left, old right, Brownites and Blairites as a moderate pressure group in anticipation of a Corbyn victory.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-the-next-election-poll-reveals-10457458.html
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They're more than welcome to fuck off and set up a new party.
 
If Corbyn is so unelectable and their ideas so brilliant and beneficial for this country, then they should cruise to victory in 2020. :bigfinger:
 
I'm with Leeds on this one. It would be unavoidable if they weren't so vehemently against Corbyn. His ideas all sound very tenable to me and if the Tories can return to something resembling an "extreme" right (in comparison to what they promised during the election) then I don't see why Labour can't offer a left wing alternative. To go back to the middle in the same vein as Blair and Miliband is what will make them unelectable. They made this mistake last time when they appointed the wrong Miliband.


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I just cannot understand this view that if you don't like Corbyn and his political stance then go and form another party. If Labour splits itself into two parties then it will be unelectable. The different factions need to work together and back whoever wins the leadership race. Though personally I do not think any of the four contenders will be the person to unite the party.

Sky news are reporting that Gordon Brown is going to give his opinion on the leadership this morning.
 
Wolvensam said:
I'm with Leeds on this one. It would be unavoidable if they weren't so vehemently against Corbyn. His ideas all sound very tenable to me and if the Tories can return to something resembling an "extreme" right (in comparison to what they promised during the election) then I don't see why Labour can't offer a left wing alternative. To go back to the middle in the same vein as Blair and Miliband is what will make them unelectable. They made this mistake last time when they appointed the wrong Miliband.


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David Miliband is more centre right than his brother, so I'm not sure why you'd say they appointed the wrong Milliband if your desire is for the party to move to the left
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
I just cannot understand this view that if you don't like Corbyn and his political stance then go and form another party. If Labour splits itself into two parties then it will be unelectable. The different factions need to work together and back whoever wins the leadership race. Though personally I do not think any of the four contenders will be the person to unite the party.

Sky news are reporting that Gordon Brown is going to give his opinion on the leadership this morning.
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It's pretty much unelectable in it's present format. New Labour was a sham and an insult to the traditions of the party. We might as well go the whole hog and may be we could appeal to the disaffected who now have to determine which two right of centre parties they prefer.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
The SDP were formed as a result of the Labour Party tearing itself apart. Do you really want to go through that again?
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Except in the PLP the Gang of Four will be those left not those leaving this time....I exaggerate but this split would be significantly bigger than in '81. Personally I don't think there will be a split as such in the short-term, but if elected Corbyn will be forced out by the PLP within 2 years. What happens then is anybody's guess. If a candidate in a similar vein were to win again that's when I think you'd see the fragmentation
 
Jeremy Corbyn sold his policies to his constituents gaining a huge victory at the last General Election. He just needs a fair platform to see those same policies grow throughout the country. If the nation were politically educated he wouldn't be looked on as left wing but a person offering a sensible alternative to austerity. Will the media give Corbyn a fair deal?
 
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