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Jeremy Corbyn

The SNP won a landslide victory north of the border on a broadly anti-austerity platform (whether you believe they actually are an anti-austerity party based on their record at Holyrood is another matter) so I think it's a fallacy to suggest that the electorate only wants centrist and right-centrist parties to govern them.

It's pretty clear that if Labour had bothered to properly challenge the Tories on a) their record, specifically economically, b) their lies about what caused the recession/crash and c) the apparent need for austerity, they'd have done much better in May. As it was they weren't really providing much of an alternative so they lost badly.
 
I said the same about the Tories winning in 2015 after 5 years of austerity. Anything could happen in the next 5 years to cause a shift in voting intention.
 
leedswolf said:
It's pretty much unelectable in it's present format. New Labour was a sham and an insult to the traditions of the party. We might as well go the whole hog and may be we could appeal to the disaffected who now have to determine which two right of centre parties they prefer.
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It was the left, the labour and trade union movement, which strongly opposed joining the Common Market, now the European Union. Hugh Gaitskell led the Labour Party in opposing entry to the original Common Market in the 1950s and it was a Conservative Prime Minister, Harold Macmillan, who applied for British entry. It was another Conservative Prime Minister, Edward Heath, and his Tory government who, in 1973, led Britain into the European Economic Community against stiff Labour opposition.

It was clear from the outset that the Common Market was designed to advance the cause of free market capitalism, and neoliberalism, and to begin to roll back the tremendous socialist advances seen in the immediate post-war years across Europe. The breaking down of national economic barriers, the transfer of political power from national parliaments to the bureaucratic and undemocratic European Commission were all of a piece with the drive to marketise, globalise, privatise and liberalise national economies. Giving freedom to bankers and billionaires to move their money without hindrance across national boundaries was key, and it is significant that Margaret Thatcher’s first act on gaining power in 1979 was to abandon so-called exchange controls. The free flow of international finance led directly to the world economic crisis of 2008, from which we are still suffering, and which came close to bringing down the global economy in chaos.

http://radical-labour.co.uk/Analysis/europe- it's time to walk away.html
 
Well done Gordon, stating the 'bleedin obvious', supporters still intent on turning Labour into a party of protest though.
 
thehistorymakers said:
It was the left, the labour and trade union movement, which strongly opposed joining the Common Market, now the European Union. Hugh Gaitskell led the Labour Party in opposing entry to the original Common Market in the 1950s and it was a Conservative Prime Minister, Harold Macmillan, who applied for British entry. It was another Conservative Prime Minister, Edward Heath, and his Tory government who, in 1973, led Britain into the European Economic Community against stiff Labour opposition.

It was clear from the outset that the Common Market was designed to advance the cause of free market capitalism, and neoliberalism, and to begin to roll back the tremendous socialist advances seen in the immediate post-war years across Europe. The breaking down of national economic barriers, the transfer of political power from national parliaments to the bureaucratic and undemocratic European Commission were all of a piece with the drive to marketise, globalise, privatise and liberalise national economies. Giving freedom to bankers and billionaires to move their money without hindrance across national boundaries was key, and it is significant that Margaret Thatcher’s first act on gaining power in 1979 was to abandon so-called exchange controls. The free flow of international finance led directly to the world economic crisis of 2008, from which we are still suffering, and which came close to bringing down the global economy in chaos.

http://radical-labour.co.uk/Analysis/europe- it's time to walk away.html
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Possibly your best post ever THM. Couldn't agree more with every word.

Europe has been built on capitalist ideas from the very beginning and it's disdain for the people and for the workers of Europe will eventually be its downfall.
 
Bit on the shaggies said:
Possibly your best post ever THM. Couldn't agree more with every word.

Europe has been built on capitalist ideas from the very beginning and it's disdain for the people and for the workers of Europe will eventually be its downfall.
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Not my article, I got it from the link. But I agree with every word of the article. Europe has been a disaster for the working man/ woman.
 
ROVERT47 said:
Well done Gordon, stating the 'bleedin obvious', supporters still intent on turning Labour into a party of protest though.
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If Blairite, centrist policies are going to win elections for Labour in the future, why did those policies lose the last two?
 
EdgeOfTheAlps said:
If Blairite, centrist policies are going to win elections for Labour in the future, why did those policies lose the last two?
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Unfortunately and i take no pleasure in saying it, the last two elections were lost by personality not policy and there you have it.

Jeremy Corbyn is a fine principled man but it counts for very little in those who are not fans.
 
Mandelson's at it again....

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And now David Miliband has his say. Writing in the Guardian, Mr Miliband - brother of former party leader Ed - said Mr Corbyn would take the party "backwards" and warned that the "angry defiance" of his campaign would lead only to electoral defeat.
 
David Miliband wants to look at post John Smith leadership to see who has taken the party backwards.
 
You ain't seen nothing yet, wait until the Mail, Telegraph, Express, etc start when he's become leader.
 
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