Jeremy Corbyn

[Deleted Cyber]

Nice to see Corbyn is a man of principles. All those years fighting for what he believes, then when he has a chance to do something, he chokes. All about not splitting the Labour party and upsetting the Blairites.
His decision had nothing to do with socialism. It was a sad day to see a man with convictions spout such $#@! about staying in and changing things. The $#@!s got no principles and is a gutless coward.

Whilst I don't agree with a lot of his politics he has gone down in my estimation. He reeks of out and yet wants us to vote in. Hypocrite.

 

[Papper]

Nice to see Corbyn is a man of principles. All those years fighting for what he believes, then when he has a chance to do something, he chokes. All about not splitting the Labour party and upsetting the Blairites.
His decision had nothing to do with socialism. It was a sad day to see a man with convictions spout such $#@! about staying in and changing things. The $#@!s got no principles and is a gutless coward.

On the face of it maybe but it's a wise move if he can truly influence politics and I think it's best to give wider scope. He's no different to Dave in that he can press for reform whilst consolidating the union. The financial transactions tax is fantastic - bring it on. I think his economics are way off what I would vote for but I believe in a collective. Can't really decide if it's a national collective or not. Perhaps he just has ...

 

[The Saturday Boy]

it has been interesting to pick up on the reaction to Corbyn's speech. Those on the remain side have come out and congratulated him on his principled speech, many pointing out that they don't agree with his reasons for his decision to support the remixing campaign. Those on the out side have been rather bitter and want to paint him as unprincipled and don't agree with the reasons for his decision.

Even though I don't believe he made a socialist case for remaining, at least he made a case which is more than most have done.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

it has been interesting to pick up on the reaction to Corbyn's speech. Those on the remain side have come out and congratulated him on his principled speech, many pointing out that they don't agree with his reasons for his decision to support the remixing campaign. Those on the out side have been rather bitter and want to paint him as unprincipled and don't agree with the reasons for his decision.

Even though I don't believe he made a socialist case for remaining, at least he made a case which is more than most have done.

I truly believe if he had stuck to his core belief which was out regardless of his speech he would have made real strides in catching the Tories enough to have a hung parliament next time regardless of what happens with the EU in June. He comes over as more genuine than Cameron or Boris . He may have split his party but those rifts will still be there and the average voter will see him on the same side of the fence as Cameron now.

 

[visage]

Mr Corbyn seems to have slightly altered his opinion on our relationship with Europe.

No he hasnt. He still has grave concerns. Its just that he thinks those concerns are best addressed from inside the EU rather than outside.

 

[thehistorymakers]

No he hasnt. He still has grave concerns. Its just that he thinks those concerns are best addressed from inside the EU rather than outside.

He is not a man of principle. A little like Syriza in Greece, in the end they are all talk!

 

[Jolemai]

If you say so.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

He is not a man of principle. A little like Syriza in Greece, in the end they are all talk!

Are you a man of principle?

 

[So Long Architect]

I'm betting on man at C&A.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Are you a man of principle?

Dorothy Perkins

 

[leedswolf]

Man of La Mancha surely?

 

[thehistorymakers]

Man of La Mancha surely?

http://pedrodelhierro.com/en

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Personally I think that Mr Corbyn's speech writer did so for political reasons. Had Mr Corbyn said he wanted us out of Europe, which until yesterday he had consistently done, then it could have made many Labour supporters vote out. And as the majority of Conservative voters are likely to vote out, it could have meant a decisive out victory. And the Labour Party generally support staying in, so he had to make this speech which was totally at odds with his previous views on Europe.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Hmmm - that's called being a party leader. You go with what the majority of your party want.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Since when has Mr Corbyn agreed with the majority in his party? And that includes his time as leader.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

He sort of has to rather more now than as a backbencher. One of the joys of being in power. You won't last long if all your policies are outliers so concessions have to be made.

Also, don't for one second think that this means Corbyn is in favour of the EU institutions. He clearly wants change, but maybe feels that the best way to influence change is from within the organisation rather than ostracised on the outside.

 

[Johnny75]

Personally I think that Mr Corbyn's speech writer did so for political reasons. Had Mr Corbyn said he wanted us out of Europe, which until yesterday he had consistently done, then it could have made many Labour supporters vote out. And as the majority of Conservative voters are likely to vote out, it could have meant a decisive out victory. And the Labour Party generally support staying in, so he had to make this speech which was totally at odds with his previous views on Europe.

I haven't seen anything that makes this true at all. There is a large split in voting but not sure your statement is true.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I don't think the majority of Conservatives want out at all.

 

[So Long Architect]

I read an article earlier which said that all the other major left leaning parties and groups in Europe, to which Labour in the UK have strong ties, are very strongly in favour of the EU, so to adopt an anti-EU position would be put themselves outside that grouping as well, which wouldn't be a good idea.

 

[leedswolf]

He sort of has to rather more now than as a backbencher. One of the joys of being in power. You won't last long if all your policies are outliers so concessions have to be made.

Also, don't for one second think that this means Corbyn is in favour of the EU institutions. He clearly wants change, but maybe feels that the best way to influence change is from within the organisation rather than ostracised on the outside.

Which was the very point that my previous link underlined. He knew that there would have to be compromises on some key issues like the EU and Trident and as Party Leader he is there to facilitate.