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Jeremy Corbyn

I read an article earlier which said that all the other major left leaning parties and groups in Europe, to which Labour in the UK have strong ties, are very strongly in favour of the EU, so to adopt an anti-EU position would be put themselves outside that grouping as well, which wouldn't be a good idea.

The Socialist party in Spain, PSOE has a history of corruption and creaming EU money to line their own pockets. One of the reasons that Podemos and Syriza were formed, were because of the corruption of the traditional Socalist parties and general acceptance of punitive austerity measures against the very poorest of society.
I thought Corbyn would have had more in common with Podemos and Syriza, than the traditonal Corrupt Socialist parties of Europe. However, he has decided to join the gravy train. He was all talk and thought more of the party and the unions, than the country.
 
The Socialist party in Spain, PSOE has a history of corruption and creaming EU money to line their own pockets. One of the reasons that Podemos and Syriza were formed, were because of the corruption of the traditional Socalist parties and general acceptance of punitive austerity measures against the very poorest of society.
I thought Corbyn would have had more in common with Podemos and Syriza, than the traditonal Corrupt Socialist parties of Europe. However, he has decided to join the gravy train. He was all talk and thought more of the party and the unions, than the country.

Right....so if you want to stay in the EU you don't think much of your country. You make such compelling arguments.
 
Right....so if you want to stay in the EU you don't think much of your country. You make such compelling arguments.

My argument is , that he chose the gravy train of personal interests instead of defending the people he has always said he represented.
I think you can vote to stay in the EU and love your country, just you are misinformed. Corbyn has always said the EU cares more about big business than people, so he isn't misinformed, he is just a man with no principles, caring more about the people who pay him than the people who are suffing austerity at the hands of the EU.
 
My argument is , that he chose the gravy train of personal interests instead of defending the people he has always said he represented.
I think you can vote to stay in the EU and love your country, just you are misinformed. Corbyn has always said the EU cares more about big business than people, so he isn't misinformed, he is just a man with no principles, caring more about the people who pay him than the people who are suffing austerity at the hands of the EU.

Your argument sucks. It is so full of holes - the most obvious being the inference that you are only "informed" if you are going to vote to leave the EU. If you represent the definition of "informed" I have a problem with that.

Corbyn has also always said that the Conservative Party cares more about big business than people and a vote to leave the EU hands a lot of power back to this government. For many of the left it isn't much of a choice. A bureaucratic, democratically deficient, capitalist tool that serves the few not the many....or the Conservative Party. When I put it like that I would vote to stay in.

The idea that a politician who has, throughout his whole parliamentary career, acted on his principles (whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant) is suddenly unprincipled because you don't agree with him on what issue is frankly absurd.
 
Your argument sucks. It is so full of holes - the most obvious being the inference that you are only "informed" if you are going to vote to leave the EU. If you represent the definition of "informed" I have a problem with that.

Corbyn has also always said that the Conservative Party cares more about big business than people and a vote to leave the EU hands a lot of power back to this government. For many of the left it isn't much of a choice. A bureaucratic, democratically deficient, capitalist tool that serves the few not the many....or the Conservative Party. When I put it like that I would vote to stay in.

The idea that a politician who has, throughout his whole parliamentary career, acted on his principles (whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant) is suddenly unprincipled because you don't agree with him on what issue is frankly absurd.

I think that because at best he was a sceptic I wanted him to vote out but he has done what he has seen as best. History will tell if this was the moment he missed or whether he called it right. I fear the former
 
Your argument sucks. It is so full of holes - the most obvious being the inference that you are only "informed" if you are going to vote to leave the EU. If you represent the definition of "informed" I have a problem with that.

Corbyn has also always said that the Conservative Party cares more about big business than people and a vote to leave the EU hands a lot of power back to this government. For many of the left it isn't much of a choice. A bureaucratic, democratically deficient, capitalist tool that serves the few not the many....or the Conservative Party. When I put it like that I would vote to stay in.

The idea that a politician who has, throughout his whole parliamentary career, acted on his principles (whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant) is suddenly unprincipled because you don't agree with him on what issue is frankly absurd.

Where did I say only I am informed?

What I am saying is that people are being misinformed and not told the whole story. For example, yesterday the agriculture minister talked about British farmers losing subsidies, if we leave the EU. He didn't mention the billions that go to European farmers, not to harvest their crops and then the farmer has to pay the inspector to say that he hasn't harvested them, when he has paid him, he is allowed to harvest the crop. So the farmer gets a huge subsidy and for a small price is allowed to harvest his crop. We have a right to know that and we are not being informed.

You can say Corbyn has had principles all his life, but when the moment came, he joined the gravy train. He doesn't give two fucks for the working class, he just needed their votes and when it came to doing something, he showed he had no principles. He let you down and you should man up and admit it.
 
You can say Corbyn has had principles all his life, but when the moment came, he joined the gravy train. He doesn't give to $#@!s for the working class, he just needed their votes and when it came to doing something, he showed he had no principles. He let you down and you should man up and admit it.


He's had opposition from within his party on most things which seems strange when he was fairly and democratically elected as leader. Should Corbyn promote his party's values or should the party promote Corbyn's? For me he has absolute credibility, his core beliefs are very transparent, but I don't think the Labour Party really knows what it is.
 
Well done John Mann for challenging that arseole Livingstone, fucking anti Semite!
 
About time that utterly detestable scumbag Livingstone left public life. Rupa Huq not covering herself in glory either saying Ms Shah has done nothing wrong, if these people can't see the wrong in what Shah did then they shouldn't be representing anybody in Great Britain.
 
About time that utterly detestable scumbag Livingstone left public life. Rupa Huq not covering herself in glory either saying Ms Shah has done nothing wrong, if these people can't see the wrong in what Shah did then they shouldn't be representing anybody in Great Britain.

You tell them, Johnny!
 
Ken Livongstone was on the radio at lunchtime, and insisted he had done nothing wrong. There have been rumblings of anti semitism within the Labour Party for some time, hopefully they will now rid themselves of these people.
 
Ken Livongstone was on the radio at lunchtime, and insisted he had done nothing wrong. There have been rumblings of anti semitism within the Labour Party for some time, hopefully they will now rid themselves of these people.

The Haavara Agreement was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933.
Hitler’s own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and varied throughout the 1930s.
Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939.

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/...-zionist-agreement-and-hitler-did-support-it/
 
Please let there be know apologists for the racism within the far left who have infiltrated the Labour Party in their thousands.
 
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