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Jeremy Corbyn

My opinion is that Corbyn was interviewed on radio 4 today programme shortly after being elected leader. When asked about the privy council, he said that he had not given it much thought, and when he was informed he would have to kiss the queens hand, he said he did not realise that. Frankly I do not believe that. His advisors would have told him what the procedure was, and a politician of his experience would almost certainly have known that. He was being deliberately awkward. When other people have been elected as leader of the opposition, there has never been an issue. Corbyn himself created that issue. Yes Cameron took three months to join the privy council, but the queen knew in advance that he would not be able to attend. Corbyn though just said he had a prior engagement, something he made no mention of before the privy council met. This was just Corbyn yet again trying to act like a rebel, when in fact as the leader of her majesty's opposition he should have been acting like a statesman.
 
Fair enough, good that you have justified your point.

My reading is that he probably viewed it as a pointless anachronism and thinking about how he could use his position to help people, rather than pander to the privileged elite, was more important.
 
I think that clarifies your position well Frank and makes perfect sense.
 
tredman said:
Fair enough, good that you have justified your point.

My reading is that he probably viewed it as a pointless anachronism and thinking about how he could use his position to help people, rather than pander to the privileged elite, was more important.
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well what would be rather nice, was if he had said that, rather than blaming his diary secretary for not pre warning him of a previous engagement....yeah!.

I am not against principles however wrong i may feel they are, but if you believe in them, stick with them and be prepared to stick your neck out.

If he doesn't want to kiss the queen's hand, and much as i love the old bat neither would I , just shake it and leave the ball in her court.

To pillory frank, love him or not, over the fact Corbyn can't either work his principles out, or when he does, actually decide either to keep his leadership/ current popularity, or stick by them, is just seriously sad.
 
Yes Corbyn just comes across as a bit snidey. Like he wants his cake and eat it. Either you're a republican and proud of it or your a 'right honourable' and part of the traditional parliamentary system. I think he's a bit unsure which way to go at the moment.
 
I'm no apologist for Corbyn & certainly would not vote for him, but not sure what the difference is in the Queen knowing Cameron would not be attending for the first 3 months & Corbyn advising that he is not able to for the first meeting after he was elected due to a pre booked engagement (when he couldn't have been sure that he would be so no point in saying something before).

Clearly certain elements of the press are keen to paint him in as bad a light as they can, hopefully most of us can see through the rhetoric
 
arklowolf said:
Yes Corbyn just comes across as a bit snidey. Like he wants his cake and eat it. Either you're a republican and proud of it or your a 'right honourable' and part of the traditional parliamentary system. I think he's a bit unsure which way to go at the moment.
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He kind of has no choice or highly important info is withheld from him. Why does he need to tongue the Queens hand for that. How about as the leader of the opposition he is just given the info.

Frank says he doesn't believe Corbyn when he said he was a unaware of the kissing. John Prescott was also unaware and when he found out he told them to shove the Privy Council up a Royal arse. In the end he had to do it so he was able to get the info you are allowed to get. Do you believe 2 Jags Frankster?
 
WTF is the privy council anyways?
 
A way for a bunch of inbred pointless over-privileged benefit scrounges to feel like they still matter.
 
Kenny said:
He kind of has no choice or highly important info is withheld from him. Why does he need to tongue the Queens hand for that. How about as the leader of the opposition he is just given the info.

You don't really understand how the constitution works do you? Roundheads, Cavaliers, reformation and all that.

Frank says he doesn't believe Corbyn when he said he was a unaware of the kissing. John Prescott was also unaware and when he found out he told them to shove the Privy Council up a Royal arse. In the end he had to do it so he was able to get the info you are allowed to get. Do you believe 2 Jags Frankster?
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So where was Corbyn when Prescott was slobbering over her maj? Halfway up the abbottpotamus?
 
arklowolf said:
So where was Corbyn when Prescott was slobbering over her maj? Halfway up the abbottpotamus?
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On the back benches doing his thing and not at all close to or interested in being part of the PC. Now he has no choice though. He could of course reject it but as the Leader of the Oppostion he would not be allowed to be involved in discussions on National Security etc which is just plain stupid but hey ho, I am sure he enjoyed hopping from one chair to another and then leaving his slobber on Queenies hand.
 
I think this is all frippery in the grand scheme of things. I am a Labour voter by inclination as I am a socialist by principle (I accept that there will never be a socialist government in my lifetime). I could not vote Labour in the last election - not that it mattered given I live in one of the safest Tory constituencies in the country - I cannot accept Labour being a watered down version of the Conservative Party. To me that is unacceptable.

To people like me, and there must be many, many lapsed Labour voters out there - Corbyn is at least a step in the right direction. He does at least stand for something, I cannot tell you what Ed Miliband stood for. I would be much more inclined to vote for a Corbyn-led party than what we had for the 2015 election. He might not even last until 2020, but when we strip away the nonsensical personal attacks, I'd much rather have him there for the sake of British politics than the other candidates in that contest. I can tell you now I wouldn't be voting for a Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper or Andy Burnham led Labour party.
 
This is what Corbyn is up against. The chief political correspondent of the Independent just tweeted this:

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The independent of all papers.
 
Sky News calling him Jihadi Jez after his comments on J-John.

Stay classy.
 
They throw personal attacks because they feel threatened. They have no response to principle because they have none.
 
Whatever you think about Corbyn one way or another, using tonight's appalling incidents to make attack is reprehensible in the extreme. Jihadi Jez is absolutely appalling and shameful.
 
This is where I feel sad for the sake of political debate in this country. That it devolves into utterly pathetic, juvenile stuff.

Just for example, I have known Pad for about 10 years and we are about as far away on the political spectrum as you could get, without getting into extremism. But that doesn't mean we can't have a grown up debate about politics, or that we disagree with what each others' party does (he isn't happy with D-Cam, and I didn't even vote Labour in May).

Why we have this polarising in the media (massively biased to the right), I do not know.
 
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