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Jeremy Corbyn

FrankMunro-371 said:
Eventually Livingstone apologised.

But what about many of Corbyns front bench team walking out on him during the debate?

What about Labour MP's lining up to speak and denounce Corbyns comments?

He has very few allies in the House of Commons, and that for a newly elected leader must be very worrying for the Labour Party.
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The apology comes across as a "say sorry or say bye to the new job" as he rejected calls to say sorry earlier in the day. So the first bit of visible pressure Corbyn has been used.

On the walk outs - Haven't seen that myself so I can't offer to much comment on that but you are right when you say he has people in his own party against him. That is the same for all party leaders though, even it if seems Corbyn has more than others, some of the anti stuff is being twisted a little to fit one half of the media's agenda. I do wish those against him would look at the bigger picture though. The next few years are going to be very tough for some and this is the perfect scenario for Labour to swoop in and clean up in 2020 but they are not going to do that if they want to spend their time jabbing at the person their own party members voted on. There is enough going on with the Government to jab away at and put Labour on the front foot. In the end it will see Corbyn go as leader in my opinion, which will be a shame. I didn't really know anything about him until he became leader and every thing I have seen has impressed me. He has his principles (like them or not) but he sticks to them, doesn't want the childish bollocks you get in PMQ's and is letting the attacks from the Murdoch press wash over him without gracing each every bit of bollocks or mis-quote with a response (bar the one on his views on Shoot to Kill of course).
 
On the "world at one" today, former Labour election chief, Spencer Livermore said that Labour was going backwards under Corbyn, and could be out of power for decades. Earlier on the today programme, former Labour Home Secretary, David Blunkett said Corbyn should sack Livingstone, and also expressed doubts over Corbyn.

These were not comments by the "Tory Press," but made by senior figures in the Labour Party.
 
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Kenny said:
The apology comes across as a "say sorry or say bye to the new job" as he rejected calls to say sorry earlier in the day. So the first bit of visible pressure Corbyn has been used.

On the walk outs - Haven't seen that myself so I can't offer to much comment on that but you are right when you say he has people in his own party against him. That is the same for all party leaders though, even it if seems Corbyn has more than others, some of the anti stuff is being twisted a little to fit one half of the media's agenda. I do wish those against him would look at the bigger picture though. The next few years are going to be very tough for some and this is the perfect scenario for Labour to swoop in and clean up in 2020 but they are not going to do that if they want to spend their time jabbing at the person their own party members voted on. There is enough going on with the Government to jab away at and put Labour on the front foot. In the end it will see Corbyn go as leader in my opinion, which will be a shame. I didn't really know anything about him until he became leader and every thing I have seen has impressed me. He has his principles (like them or not) but he sticks to them, doesn't want the childish bollocks you get in PMQ's and is letting the attacks from the Murdoch press wash over him without gracing each every bit of bollocks or mis-quote with a response (bar the one on his views on Shoot to Kill of course).
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A good response Sir. And I agree that the Labour Party should be putting their efforts in opposing things which they think are wrong. The big problem Corbyn has is that while he won a landslide victory, very few of the MP's voted for him, and they seem to take every opportunity to display disloyalty to him. But he cannot argue with that, as a back bench rebel he voted against hi s own party on numerous occasions.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
On the "world at one" today, former Labour election chief, Spencer Livermore said that Labour was going backwards under Corbyn, and could be out of power for decades. Earlier on the today programme, former Labour Home Secretary, David Blunkett said Corbyn should sack Livingstone, and also expressed doubts over Corbyn.

These were not comments by the "Tory Press," but made by senior figures in the Labour Party.
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Correct - but you need to remember that Blunkett and Livermore are from the Blairite wing of the party and so are bound to be less than enthusiastic about Corbyn. There are similar factions within all parties. However, the New Labour experiment that those two believe in has been moved away from, so they are going to come out with stuff like that as they don't like being sidelined.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Correct - but you need to remember that Blunkett and Livermore are from the Blairite wing of the party and so are bound to be less than enthusiastic about Corbyn. There are similar factions within all parties. However, the New Labour experiment that those two believe in has been moved away from, so they are going to come out with stuff like that as they don't like being sidelined.
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Yup. That's all this is; people who have had their noses put out of place. If only they could see past their own agenda and put the party first, they would see that Labour is moving forward.

A couple of pics for what they are worth:

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB

November Ipsos poll
In net terms Corbyn has the best figures of any of the party leaders
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Then there's this which shows Labour closer than they were in May.

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB

At last. Full details of today's Ipsos poll. Good for CON. UKIP drop to 7% - same as LDs
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You would have thought after the last election people would have stopped taking any notice of polls ?
 
You weren't expecting me to have read what you've written ???
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
On the "world at one" today, former Labour election chief, Spencer Livermore said that Labour was going backwards under Corbyn, and could be out of power for decades. Earlier on the today programme, former Labour Home Secretary, David Blunkett said Corbyn should sack Livingstone, and also expressed doubts over Corbyn.

These were not comments by the "Tory Press," but made by senior figures in the Labour Party.
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Yesterday's men. I'm sure they will now be sitting on the naughty step.
 
As the campaign page for Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership of the Labour Party, we have accepted the responsibility to adhere to Jeremy’s call for a new kind of politics, that engages in serious debate rather than personal attacks. We intend to stick to that, not simply out of loyalty to Jeremy, but because over the summer, it became patently obvious that this is what the overwhelming majority of the party members and supporters want. Debate is good, as is opinion, however strongly …held. But it must be respectful, comradely – and never descend into abuse.

So we didn’t really want to engage in this. At all. But here’s the thing. For too long, the voice of party members has been silenced. That stopped the day Jeremy Corbyn was elected. As he said throughout the campaign, this was not about a man, it was about a movement. So we say this to express what we believe is the view of the vast majority of Labour Party members. We say this to give them a voice.

What we have seen from a small section of the Parliamentary Party and some New Labour “grandees” recently isn’t opinion and it’s not about debate. It is a constant sniping, undermining and, at times, bitter attack. It’s designed to create an atmosphere of chaos. We are here to tell you that we’re sick of it. Not only is it now boring, but it is entirely destructive instead of constructive.

Of course, it’s just a tiny minority of the Parliamentary party who have chosen to indulge in such attacks, but they are a loud minority. The reason that they are so loud is because they have the ear of the rightwing and tabloid press: those journalists and commentators who have no interest in the future of the Labour Party or the views of the membership. It’s easy to get a column inch or two in those rags. You are doing them a service. However, you are doing the membership of this party a massive disservice – the membership who voted not just for Jeremy himself, but the policies he stood for. It’s time to acknowledge that, and work for the common good. That means targeting the Tories, not our leader. That means targeting poverty and injustice, not the members of the party.

That’s why we respectfully ask you to stop the off-the-record briefing, the on-the-record attacks and the machinations behind the scenes. Do your job and represent us.

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/...blairites-moderates-labour-grandees-etc-stop/
 
Or in other words - only the holy jezza should be allowed to speak in this new kind of politics?

Isn't that just the old kind of politics, but with the previous looney fringe in charge?
 
Premier Quality said:
Or in other words - only the holy jezza should be allowed to speak in this new kind of politics?

Isn't that just the old kind of politics, but with the previous looney fringe in charge?
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Quite the opposite, he's introducing proper democracy to the way Labour decides its policies. That's what scares the rank and file MPs.
 
Lord Knows said:
Quite the opposite, he's introducing proper democracy to the way Labour decides its policies. That's what scares the rank and file MPs.
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Corbyn has recognised that his vote was about a desire for an alternative that puts people at the centre rather than any great clamour for him personally. If he can change Labour into a genuinely democratic movement he will have wrestled control from the Blairites and transformed them into a real movement of the people.
 
It all sounds good for the rank and file, unfortunately the polls this weekend are an absolute nightmare for the Labour Party.
 
Exactly, the Falkland war was the making of the old witch.
 
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