Jeremy Corbyn

[Kenny]

Sky News Poll

When asked if people like the following idea but were not told whose idea's they are

£10 min Wage - 69% liked it
Nationalise the Railways - 55% liked it
Rent Control - 74% liked it

Same people then told the idea's were Jeremy Corbyn, the results changed!
£10 min Wage - 61% liked it
Nationalise the Railways - 51% liked it
Rent Control - 64% liked it

 

[Jolemai]

Sky News Poll

When asked if people like the following idea but were not told whose idea's they are

£10 min Wage - 69% liked it
Nationalise the Railways - 55% liked it
Rent Control - 74% liked it

Same people then told the idea's were Jeremy Corbyn, the results changed!
£10 min Wage - 61% liked it
Nationalise the Railways - 51% liked it
Rent Control - 64% liked it

... and that was just within the Labour party :facepalm:

 

[Paul]

Sky News Poll

When asked if people like the following idea but were not told whose idea's they are

£10 min Wage - 69% liked it
Nationalise the Railways - 55% liked it
Rent Control - 74% liked it
Discuss trident - 90% liked it

Same people then told the idea's were Jeremy Corbyn, the results changed!
£10 min Wage - 61% liked it
Nationalise the Railways - 51% liked it
Rent Control - 64% liked it
Discuss Trident - next to nobody liked it

 

[thehistorymakers]

Does strike me as hilarious the 2 posters who are the most vehement in their objections to any form of immigration are ex-pats who don't live in the UK.
And their objections tend to be towards non-white immigrants.

I hope you are not talking about me in that post, LJ. I have always said that the UK goverment should let more genuine asylum seekers in to the UK. People who have been persecuted or tortured of what ever colour or religion, should be welcomed and protected in the UK. I have always posted that, so please don't misrepresent my posts and beliefs.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Shouldn't it be; 'What's'?

I don't think extremism of any sort has ever been very beneficial, for very many, for very long. So basically I'm against it.

What's your view on halal slaughter? Do you think it should be banned in the UK? Should it be made illegal in the UK? and anyone found practising it be liable to imprisonment?

Halal slaughter should be banned in the UK. It is completely and utterly cruel. I ask in restaurants if their meat is halal and if it is I will not eat it. . That goes for Kosher too by the way. Whilst I respect religious freedoms I do not need my meat to be blessed
More than 250,000 cows, sheep, and goats who are slaughtered while they are still conscious must endure prolonged torment. Animals killed halal (according to Islamic law) cannot be stunned before their throats are cut, which means that many animals fight and gasp for their last breath, struggling to stand while the blood drains from their necks.This can take significant time

Islamic teachings encourage kindness and compassion toward all creatures, which is why many Muslims make the humane decision to go vegan.

You will also find ( and a good dietician will confirm this) that its the combination of the food groups you need to get right. The golden rule is to have as little processed meat as you can so sausages/ bacon / burgers should be sparingly eaten. However If you have a lot of meat you should reduce the carbs. So having 2 burgers without the buns is better for you . Also Venison as a meat is less than 4% fat so makes a great beef alternative. I avoid porridge, white bread, pasta, low fat spreads and sugary treats.
Low fat spreads contain fats that the body has no idea what to do with so its stores them! Even though they are low fat they are contradicting your natural body digestion systems. So stick to butter.
I love steak,Beef rib, bacon, Venison Burgers, Salmon, chipolata sausages(free range pork) free range eggs, free range chicken ( lidl and Aldi sell it ridiculously cheap). Since I learned about the combinations in my diet I have lost 17lbs and my Cholesterol has gone from 5.1 to 3.9 in 12 months. No, eating meat is not in itself the problem

 

[arklowolf]

Does strike me as hilarious the 2 posters who are the most vehement in their objections to any form of immigration are ex-pats who don't live in the UK.
And their objections tend to be towards non-white immigrants.

To be honest THM, I wouldn't really be bothered about what LJ posts. I have never been 'vehement in my objections to any form of immigration' either. I think if I was I'd probably be ostracised by my brother and his family, his wife is not only an immigrant but non-white (as he puts it) and a Muslim.
Personally I'm not actually that bothered by Halal slaughter either (I don't believe it's got any place in a modern civilised society but I think there are far more important issues to be bothered about). What bothers me though, is how the same person can get on their high horse and say eating meat is wrong because of animal welfare issues, while at the same time condoning and encouraging Halal. Duplicity I call it.
Besides which, what has Halal got to do with 'non-white'??
Some people are so full of their own importance and so convinced (brainwashed) that they are right, that they can't feel happy until they've pigeon-holed and labelled everybody else who doesn't agree with them.
Regarding being an 'ex-pat', if it wasn't for the fact that I'm now married to a colonial* over here and she's got a full time job where I haven't, I'd probably have come back to dear old Blighty by now (if I had a job there to go to).

*He thinks The Irish are a British colony as well.
**Remember 'Misogynist' = Can sometimes be used if you can't make 'racist' fit.

 

[Kenny]

 

[Dublin Drummer Wolf]

Ha ha brilliant! Stealing that

 

[Premier Quality]

Cracking conference for labour and jezza

Final day of Labour’s party conference sees seven members of Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet question his views over never to use nuclear weapons

“It would appear that as leader he is acting in the same way he was when he was on the back benches - picking and choosing what he supports.”

 

[So Long Architect]

Cracking conference for labour and jezza

Final day of Labour’s party conference sees seven members of Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet question his views over never to use nuclear weapons

“It would appear that as leader he is acting in the same way he was when he was on the back benches - picking and choosing what he supports.”

But he would have looked a right twat if he had suddenly come out in support of Trident after a lifetime of opposition to nuclear weapons. He's been voted in by his party on the back of those beliefs, and presumably because of the fact that he's a character who isn't Groucho Marx like - "these are my principles and if you don't like them... well, I have others". It doesn't look great in the press when half his shadow cabinet think he's an idiot but I don't think he has a way of winning on that front in any case.

 

[arklowolf]

Cracking conference for labour and jezza

Final day of Labour’s party conference sees seven members of Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet question his views over never to use nuclear weapons

“It would appear that as leader he is acting in the same way he was when he was on the back benches - picking and choosing what he supports.”

The unions have let him down badly.
They knew his stance on nuclear weapons, now they are refusing to back him.
They want to keep Trident because it employs their members, not because of the 'deterrent factor'.
Totally the wrong reason for keeping it.
Thousands of people working to produce something that is of no use or benefit or value whatsoever. Socialist utopia. Freedom is slavery, War is Peace, Ignorance is strength!
May as well scrap Trident and reopen the pits. Now that's what I call 80's.

 

[visage]

His stance is entirely logical. If it ever gets to the point where has to push the metaphorical big red button then, by definition, the deterrent has failed. No point adding to the millions (if not billions) of people that will already be dead.

 

[Jolemai]

Prem, Arko, do you want Trident, or are you just bashing Corbyn/Labour?

 

[North West Wanderer]

His stance is entirely logical. If it ever gets to the point where has to push the metaphorical big red button then, by definition, the deterrent has failed. No point adding to the millions (if not billions) of people that will already be dead.

Precisely.
While I wouldn't have wanted him to say what he did, I more than understand why.

Trident is a deterrent, no more for me. If we ever have to use it mind, I won't be here to worry about the consequences.

 

[visage]

Hes also right that there are 180 plus countries in the world who are perfectly happy not to have nuclear weapons. Why cant we join them?

Its just part of a cold-war dick measuring contest.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Perhaps Corbyn would have been slightly better off answering the question from Kuennsberg with "I would not want to" rather than "I would not"? Both phrases can be logically followed by the second sentence "nuclear weapons are immoral", but he wouldn't be backed into quite such a tight corner and looking like contradicting the Shadow Minister for Defence.

The jobs at Faslane is always an issue with Trident. Labour will obviously need to garner support from SNP voters at the next election and guaranteeing the loss of thousands of jobs within Faslane and the support industries to it would not be the ideal way of doing that. If you are going to have a policy of no trident then an alternative use for Faslane that protects those jobs would be needed. Maybe move the new carrier build projects there? *

*this is back of a fag packet. I have no idea what the Faslane facilities are like, and whether they would suit surface ship building as opposed to sub building and maintenance.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I thought Faslane was just where they housed the subarmines/trident? I wasn't aware there was any manufacturing facilities there at all.

 

[arklowolf]

Prem, Arko, do you want Trident, or are you just bashing Corbyn/Labour?

Personally, I can see the logic behind the argument of keeping Trident as a deterrent, I can also see the logic behind the argument of having no nuclear deterrent.
There is no logic behind having one and saying 'we would never ever use it'.
Because - it is then no longer a deterrent. It's just a white elephant and is the result of wasted human effort and labour.

And if that is what it is going to be then on balance, I would get rid of Trident.
So in that regard I support Corbyn and not 'the unions' and half of the shadow cabinet.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I thought Faslane was just where they housed the subarmines/trident? I wasn't aware there was any manufacturing facilities there at all.

Looks that way. The shipbuilding seems to go on at Portsmouth while Devonport and Faslane are dockyards. Told you it was back of a fag packet! Of course there were huge shipbuilding facilities further up the Clyde, but I have no idea what, if anything is left of those.

 

[Sniffer]

Perhaps Corbyn would have been slightly better off answering the question from Kuennsberg with "I would not want to" rather than "I would not"? Both phrases can be logically followed by the second sentence "nuclear weapons are immoral", but he wouldn't be backed into quite such a tight corner and looking like contradicting the Shadow Minister for Defence.

The jobs at Faslane is always an issue with Trident. Labour will obviously need to garner support from SNP voters at the next election and guaranteeing the loss of thousands of jobs within Faslane and the support industries to it would not be the ideal way of doing that. If you are going to have a policy of no trident then an alternative use for Faslane that protects those jobs would be needed. Maybe move the new carrier build projects there? *

*this is back of a fag packet. I have no idea what the Faslane facilities are like, and whether they would suit surface ship building as opposed to sub building and maintenance.

The SNP did OK by being an opponent of the renewal of Trident. I guess the electorate knew that it would never be the SNP's decision to make.