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Jeremy Corbyn

Paddingtonwolf said:
Looks that way. The shipbuilding seems to go on at Portsmouth while Devonport and Faslane are dockyards. Told you it was back of a fag packet! Of course there were huge shipbuilding facilities further up the Clyde, but I have no idea what, if anything is left of those.
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I remember there being something the news a while back about how they'd split the building of the new carriers North/South of the border but I can't remember which way they'd played it, either they abandoned Scotland and said they'd do it all down South due to a lot of votes going in favour of SNP or they'd desperately thrown a bone to Scottish shipbuilding in an attempt to try and win back some of those SNP voters.

Can't remember which now though!

I suppose there are going to be pretty substantial job losses either way if Trident goes though, no matter what you try and do with other naval projects there are going to be a substantial group of people who's only function is in relation to a nuclear weapons programme which will no longer exist, so whilst you can shuffle your shipbuilding and maintenance around to keep people busy you're never going to have a replacement job for those of a nuclear discipline.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Looks that way. The shipbuilding seems to go on at Portsmouth while Devonport and Faslane are dockyards. Told you it was back of a fag packet! Of course there were huge shipbuilding facilities further up the Clyde, but I have no idea what, if anything is left of those.
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Friend of mine works up in Aberdeen on oil rig building and a lot of stuff is for this is still done on the Clyde and wheeled around the coast.
 
Jolemai said:
Prem, Arko, do you want Trident, or are you just bashing Corbyn/Labour?
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Personally, I think Nuclear deterrant is generally a good thing, and not just relying on America as the sole contributor towards that deterrant. If we and France split the cost and had half the capability each or something along those lines, I'd be fine with that. I've said in the past the ideal is that we make a big song and dance about how big and scary our nukes are, but actually run a scaled down and cheaper version - So thats my point of view - what Corbyn has done has over-ruled his party and made it so that even if they want trident, its not a deterrant if he's in charge as he just wouldn't use it. Which is just massively stupid.
 
The UK does not even own its Trident missiles, but rather leases them from the United States. British subs must regularly visit the US Navy’s base at King’s Bay, Georgia, for maintenance or re-arming. And since Britain has no test site of its own, it tries out its weapons under US supervision at Cape Canaveral, off the Florida coast.

A huge amount of key Trident technology — including the neutron generators, warheads, gas reservoirs, missile body shells, guidance systems, GPS, targeting software, gravitational information and navigation systems — is provided directly by Washington, and much of the technology that Britain produces itself is taken from US designs (the four UK Trident submarines themselves are copies of America’s Ohio-class Trident submersibles).

The list goes on. Britain’s nuclear sites at Aldermaston and Davenport are partly run by the American companies Lockheed Martin and Halliburton. Even the organization responsible for the UK-run components of the program, the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE), is a private consortium consisting of one British company, Serco Group PLC, sandwiched between two American ones — Lockheed Martin and the Jacobs Engineering Group. And, to top it all, AWE’s boss, Kevin Bilger — who worked for Lockheed Martin for 32 years — is American.


http://www.politico.eu/article/uk-trident-nuclear-program/
 
Mr Corbyn unable to attend the privy council due to other commitments. I am sure that is true, but as a self declared republican, maybe Mr Corbyn is not over keen on having to meet the Queen. Though as leader of her majesty's opposition, he does have responsibilities of state, and I hope his advisers get him to realise that. He can no longer act like a back bench rebel.
 
Why should he bend down to someone purely in their place because of some distant ancestor? They stand for everything he doesn't, privilege and birthright over ability.

Good on him.
 
You'd think after two world wars we wouldnt be required to bow before a German.
 
Just because I found it quite amusing...

It all amused Boris Johnson, so the protesters achieved that, at least.
He began his speech by thanking 'the assorted crusties with nose-rings' for their lovely warm welcome, and their cries of 'Tories, come! Tories, come!'
 
Crusties :facepalm:

Is that what they call them at Eton now? Or is it just something that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson himself came up with to describe the oiks?
 
tredman said:
Why should he bend down to someone purely in their place because of some distant ancestor? They stand for everything he doesn't, privilege and birthright over ability.
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I suppose if the unions told him to bend down, he would :)
 
tredman said:
Why should he bend down to someone purely in their place because of some distant ancestor? They stand for everything he doesn't, privilege and birthright over ability.

Good on him.
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Because he wants to do his job properly? If he doesn't join the privy council then he and labour are even more irrelevant.
 
Because the toilet council is incredibly relevant.
 
I dont get these people who feel the need to bow down to other people. Lets try and remove class structures not worship them.
 
There's some merit in this piece by the Fabian Society.

We need to change the public story about why people become poor. This is a campaigning and communications task, and the Labour party should work with civil society organisations who share the same objectives and concerns. Most importantly, we need to develop our strategy for reducing poverty as a party of government, so that we don’t get stuck in the fiscal trap again.

Welfare is just one way of tackling poverty, and it is by far the most expensive. The first priority is to get more people into work, which is about skills, employability and support. A third of young people in England currently leave education without the literacy and numeracy skills they need to survive in the modern economy. Local labour markets work poorly in many areas, with weak links between employers, education and skills institutions, and potential employees. And we need a welfare-to-work system that does more than sanction people off benefits and force them into temporary, unskilled and unpaid work.

The second priority is to make work pay better. For the last general election we boiled this down into an unambitious retail offer to raise the minimum wage – and promptly got trumped by the chancellor. We should be thinking about the minimum wage, living wage agreements, progression up the wage scale, careers advice, adult skills training, and productivity improvements all as linked parts of the strategy. We should be doing all this with the unions, and it must not just be for those on the very lowest wages but about shifting the whole lower end of the earnings distribution upwards.

http://www.fabians.org.uk/duplicity-and-impotence-tory-doublespeak-and-labour-failure-on-poverty/
 
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