Jeremy Corbyn

[Deleted Cyber]

If I took 30p of your money and spent it on a ukip promotion sticker and gave it back to you would you be happy?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yeah, toilet roll is pretty expensive so I'd be up on the deal.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Yeah, toilet roll is pretty expensive so I'd be up on the deal.

Pmsl but the point was that the government spent tax payer's money on a leaflet. That they effectively cost every leave voter 50 p . we moan about tax rises but most of us could afford 50p a week. Multiply that by 30 million voters and you've got 60 million a month before you know it

 

[Tony Towner]

I didn't defend the bus, which was not paid for by taxpayers money. I have always said that politicians lie and I don't listen to what they say, but watch what they do. I never took any notice of the bus, but think the leaflet was wrong. One was paid for by taxpayers money.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was the Government who sent that leaflet not the remain campaign. The Government in their manifesto said they would give a referendum on EU membership. I believe that in the same manifesto they said their position was to stay in the EU, therefore when that situation arose they attempted to inform the public as to why they believed that to be the correct position.

Now I'm no Tory apologist, but what they actually did was kept their manifesto promise which is exactly what you want them to do.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was the Government who sent that leaflet not the remain campaign. The Government in their manifesto said they would give a referendum on EU membership. I believe that in the same manifesto they said their position was to stay in the EU, therefore when that situation arose they attempted to inform the public as to why they believed that to be the correct position.

Now I'm no Tory apologist, but what they actually did was kept their manifesto promise which is exactly what you want them to do.

It was a free vote. Many people in the goverment didn't support staying in the EU. They should not have used taxpayers money to try to indoctrinate the public. They do things like that in North Korea.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I would agree that the leaflet should have been funded by private money, there was enough of it swilling around the Remain campaign. That said it really was pennies in the grand scheme of things. The case made was so weak and poorly presented anyway that they may as well not have bothered. People like me didn't need convincing of the argument, the way they set it out was never going to sway any leaning towards Leave.

 

[Tony Towner]

It was a free vote. Many people in the goverment didn't support staying in the EU. They should not have used taxpayers money to try to indoctrinate the public. They do things like that in North Korea.

The Government had a firm position as stated in its manifesto. Not sure North Korea does many referenda which gives it's people the opportunity to vote against stated Government policy. You fail to see the clear distinction between the Government and the remain campaign.

 

[thehistorymakers]

The Government had a firm position as stated in its manifesto. Not sure North Korea does many referenda which gives it's people the opportunity to vote against stated Government policy. You fail to see the clear distinction between the Government and the remain campaign.

Do you agree with them spending taxpayers money on the leaflet?

 

[Tony Towner]

I disagree with them offering a referendum in the first place as an attempt to heal rifts in their own party and to try and kill the rise of UKIP, which hindsight says they misunderstood as it was Labour rather than the Conservative's who they took votes from in 2015. You won't agree with this, but I believe that the UK electorate aren't or weren't sophisticated enough to understand the nuances of the implications of leaving the EU and it's not something which should have been put to them. If a political party stood on that platform and were elected then that would be a different matter, but the 3 largest full British parties (seats wise) were all in favour of remaining so that wasn't the case.

Cameron royally fucked up and after doing so attempted to rectify the situation. I would suggest the money spent on the leaflet (around 14p per person) will be a pebble in the ocean to what it will ultimately cost the average UK citizen once we leave.

 

[thehistorymakers]

I agree with you on the reason the referendum happened, I don't agree that it shouldn't have been put to the people. I think you are saying it was a only a few pence so the leaflet doesn't matter. You know I disagree with that, but at least you put your views across without insults and and being personal.

 

[Johnny75]

 

[visage]

Live footage of Jeremy Corbyn taking the government to task over Brexit:

 

[Papper]

Those with trees want a new Tony Blair. Those with trees don't identify with Corbyn. They want more style over substance. They succumb to the media barrage. Ohhh can't have him, just don't move or talk right ...

 

[visage]

No.

Corbyns problems arent about policy, they're about competence.

 

[darlowolf64]

No.

Corbyns problems arent about policy, they're about competence.

This for me sadly. I voted for him as leader of the party in both elections because of the man he is...A principled, proper Labour man with some great ideas but he just doesn't have the cut throat nature required to nail the Conservatives over their elitist agenda

 

[Papper]

No.

Corbyns problems arent about policy, they're about competence.

He doesn't really have that many progressive left wingers in the Commons for a formidable cabinet. That's because most Labour MP's are more in tune to the sound of the Cons. Labour needs a new identity that isn't a Mandelson creation. I don't want somebody 'spun' although he looks better with a haircut and suit. I'm more for the passive than the aggressive and when required he speaks very well bit like the banished Galloway and others. Did you see those interviews that the Gyles Brandreth thing did a while ago?

 

[visage]

He doesn't really have that many progressive left wingers in the Commons for a formidable cabinet. That's because most Labour MP's are more in tune to the sound of the Cons. Labour needs a new identity that isn't a Mandelson creation. I don't want somebody 'spun' although he looks better with a haircut and suit. I'm more for the passive than the aggressive and when required he speaks very well bit like the banished Galloway and others. Did you see those interviews that the Gyles Brandreth thing did a while ago?

Its not his lack of formidable cabinet that forced him to whip his MPs to vote against their constituents. Its not his lack of formidable cabinet that forces him to screw up open goals when the government fucks up. Its not his lack of formidable cabinet that makes him release ambiguous tax returns without explanation.

 

[Papper]

Its not his lack of formidable cabinet that forced him to whip his MPs to vote against their constituents. Its not his lack of formidable cabinet that forces him to screw up open goals when the government $#@!s up. Its not his lack of formidable cabinet that makes him release ambiguous tax returns without explanation.

So who do you think would be a better leader? Dianne Abbott perhaps ??

 

[visage]

Maybe Corbyn could use that as his next slogan? 'Vote Jeremy Corbyn because he's better than Diane Abbott'...

 

[Parkins left foot]

So who do you think would be a better leader? Dianne Abbott perhaps ??

:icon_exclaim:

Dan Jarvis was mooted previously, would be a better option than Abbott