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Jeremy Corbyn

If Nuttall can't win in what is one of the Brexit hotspots in the entire country when Labour are in disarray and have parachuted in a pretty poor candidate then it's hard to see where he can win.

As I said last night that is all I wanted really, I have no investment in Labour at present so them losing Copeland just underlines the mess they're in.

The only person Nuttall could beat is Nuttall. Its a poor choice and his start has been even worse. Like TV adverts the accent is not helping him. You dont get scouse accents advertising items that you trust do you? Its a fact the industry uses the specific accent to sell a product like Yorkshire as its seen as trustworthy (PLUSNET), or geordie as its seen as charming or even Scottish in the hope of showing care and kindness. The Liverpool accent is not often used in adverts as its alleged to be seen as a bit shifty and not trusted, at best a cheekie scally chappie type!(Accrington Stanley milk ad) . Nuttall is already playing with one hand tied. Using the other hand to shoot yourself in the foot in a run up to a by election doesnt help!
 
When Steven Woolfe resigned from UKIP, that was the beginning of the end for them. Every time he appeared on QT or in any interview, I always agreed with everything he said and I felt that he would have made a great Leader for UKIP. Also Cyber, he was very articulate and his accent was perfect. As a party leader he ticked all of the boxes.

Then people like Neil Hamilton start representing them and you just know they are in freefall. Individual ego's it seems are more important than the Party.

After last nights by-elections, and the share of the UKIP vote, I wonder who should be more concerned if they totally implode and collapse ?

Some say most UKIP voters are old fashioned Tories, so should Labour be more worried ? If UKIP voters in Stoke had voted Tory instead, Labour would have lost.

Others say Labour are losing votes to UKIP. If that's the case and UKIP fold, how many UKIP voters will be voting Labour in future, and how will all of this affect the marginal seats in 2020 ?

At the moment, the perception is that by Leaving the EU, we can control Immigration as it's a genuine concern for 60%-70% of the electorate. If this becomes less of a concern in future, then not many will see the point in voting for UKIP. Maybe they have forced Labour and the Tories to take Immigration seriously ?
But if the working class in Industrial areas feel they are not being listened to, then UKIP may still have a future ?

Best comment of the night was in Copeland, Cumbria. A woman said she was disappointed that Labour had lost the seat after so long, but it really made no difference to her who was in power in Copeland. "We are invisible" she said, adding, "In Westminster, they don't even know that we exist" I think we can all relate to that.
 
Labour MP John Woodcock said the party was facing an "historic and catastrophic" defeat at the next general election.
 
When Steven Woolfe resigned from UKIP, that was the beginning of the end for them. Every time he appeared on QT or in any interview, I always agreed with everything he said and I felt that he would have made a great Leader for UKIP. Also Cyber, he was very articulate and his accent was perfect. As a party leader he ticked all of the boxes.

Then people like Neil Hamilton start representing them and you just know they are in freefall. Individual ego's it seems are more important than the Party.

After last nights by-elections, and the share of the UKIP vote, I wonder who should be more concerned if they totally implode and collapse ?

Some say most UKIP voters are old fashioned Tories, so should Labour be more worried ? If UKIP voters in Stoke had voted Tory instead, Labour would have lost.

Others say Labour are losing votes to UKIP. If that's the case and UKIP fold, how many UKIP voters will be voting Labour in future, and how will all of this affect the marginal seats in 2020 ?

At the moment, the perception is that by Leaving the EU, we can control Immigration as it's a genuine concern for 60%-70% of the electorate. If this becomes less of a concern in future, then not many will see the point in voting for UKIP. Maybe they have forced Labour and the Tories to take Immigration seriously ?
But if the working class in Industrial areas feel they are not being listened to, then UKIP may still have a future ?

Best comment of the night was in Copeland, Cumbria. A woman said she was disappointed that Labour had lost the seat after so long, but it really made no difference to her who was in power in Copeland. "We are invisible" she said, adding, "In Westminster, they don't even know that we exist" I think we can all relate to that.

Prog you're right re Woolfe. Best leader ukip never had. Interesting times ahead.
 
Jeremy Corbyn says he takes his "share of responsibility" for the Labour Party's recent by-election loss, but is "determined" to stay on as leader.

Excellent news.
 
I think it's about time he went now. Everything that I found refreshing about him is actually just getting in the was of the country having a credible opposition. It's a shame, I think politics needs more people with his morals, but he just can't play the game. May has been there for the taking but he's just not been up to it. It's pretty easy to make May and her cabinet squirm at the moment, but their stock is probably rising with the public, which is just bonkers. Lovely guy, failed experiment.
 
I think it's about time he went now. Everything that I found refreshing about him is actually just getting in the was of the country having a credible opposition. It's a shame, I think politics needs more people with his morals, but he just can't play the game. May has been there for the taking but he's just not been up to it. It's pretty easy to make May and her cabinet squirm at the moment, but their stock is probably rising with the public, which is just bonkers. Lovely guy, failed experiment.
As with so many things in society too much too soon for the country or time.
 
I think it's about time he went now. Everything that I found refreshing about him is actually just getting in the was of the country having a credible opposition. It's a shame, I think politics needs more people with his morals, but he just can't play the game. May has been there for the taking but he's just not been up to it. It's pretty easy to make May and her cabinet squirm at the moment, but their stock is probably rising with the public, which is just bonkers. Lovely guy, failed experiment.

Agreed. As long as he's replaced by someone on the left of the party I don't have an issue. Blair's 'say whatever Mondeo man wants to hear' type politics are dead now. People want a vision and they want people who don't sound like every other politician. I thought Corbyn was the man for the job. He isn't.
 
Agreed. As long as he's replaced by someone on the left of the party I don't have an issue. Blair's 'say whatever Mondeo man wants to hear' type politics are dead now. People want a vision and they want people who don't sound like every other politician. I thought Corbyn was the man for the job. He isn't.

You get yourself in power and then when there move slowly to the left allowing time for the policies to be shown to be working and to ensure trust and confidence. I keep saying this but too much too soon gets you Trump! Get a moderate in. Become a viable opposition. Get elected. Move towards the left. Stand, walk ,run strategy
 
Didn't know where to put this but Frank Field has come up with a good idea for giving excess army ration packs to the homeless.

I don't agree with his politics but this makes perfect sense to me.
 
Labour's biggest issue is that they don't stand for anything. Tories stand for low tax, low spend, free market.

In an effort to become electable Blair replaced Labour's core values with not a lot. His policies came from focus groups. From Murdoch. From Campbell. As a consequence Labour doesn't know where it stands now on a whole host of issues. They also embraced Thatcherism under Blair which means economically they can offer no real alternatives. After a promising start McDonnell bottled it and started talking Osborne-esque bollocks about paying off the deficit and running a surplus. If Labour doesn't believe in the power of the state to improve people's lives then there is no point in Labour.
 
Its about time the media focused on policy rather than personality to develop a better Britain.

Early last year Jeremy Corbyn was roundly laughed at in the House of Commons for suggesting food poverty, inequality and climate change should also be included in the Government’s national security review. The list of priorities had been reserved to armed military responses in the event of an attack and increasing spending on Britain’s Trident nuclear detterent from £25 billion to £31 billion. The notion that a deepening crisis was happening right in front of our eyes was, in the eyes of our esteemed MPs, laughable.

But research today revealed that despite living in one of the wealthiest countries in the world almost eight million people are living in households which struggle to put food on the table. The study found up to five million of us regularly go without eating for a whole day because they can’t afford to buy food, with some households in the country having just £3 a day to spend on food for the family.

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/millions-brits-plunged-food-poverty-think-good-idea/24/02/
 
Its about time the media focused on policy rather than personality to develop a better Britain.



But research today revealed that despite living in one of the wealthiest countries in the world almost eight million people are living in households which struggle to put food on the table. The study found up to five million of us regularly go without eating for a whole day because they can’t afford to buy food, with some households in the country having just £3 a day to spend on food for the family.

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/millions-brits-plunged-food-poverty-think-good-idea/24/02/

That is an embarrassment to the UK. Probably many of these people are disenfranchised politically, believing that nobody cares about them. Quite often you find the rich always vote and many of the poorest don't bother. I wish we had a country where it was mandatory to vote and political parties were made to carry out their manifesto promises, by law.
 
That is an embarrassment to the UK. Probably many of these people are disenfranchised politically, believing that nobody cares about them. Quite often you find the rich always vote and many of the poorest don't bother. I wish we had a country where it was mandatory to vote and political parties were made to carry out their manifesto promises, by law.

Like staying in the single market?
 
If you had that then you would be guaranteeing either perpetual shared power of coalition or a pointless waste of public funds putting a policy in for five years to then take it apart for five years rinse and repeat.
 
That is an embarrassment to the UK. Probably many of these people are disenfranchised politically, believing that nobody cares about them. Quite often you find the rich always vote and many of the poorest don't bother. I wish we had a country where it was mandatory to vote and political parties were made to carry out their manifesto promises, by law.

Look at the USA though, first thing Trump did was roll back funding for pro choice organisations, Obama had provided that funding straight off the bat and the next Democrat will reinstate it too. We'd get into cyclical politics and achieve fuck all.
 
That is an embarrassment to the UK. Probably many of these people are disenfranchised politically, believing that nobody cares about them. Quite often you find the rich always vote and many of the poorest don't bother. I wish we had a country where it was mandatory to vote and political parties were made to carry out their manifesto promises, by law.

Without opposition? Not very democratic is it?
 
If you had that then you would be guaranteeing either perpetual shared power of coalition or a pointless waste of public funds putting a policy in for five years to then take it apart for five years rinse and repeat.

Lots of countries have coalitions most of the time. I can see that there are good things and bad things attached to the idea.
 
Italy is paralysed by it. Also, coalition politics makes it impossible for your idea of all manifesto ideas being legal commitments
 
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