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Jeremy Corbyn

Paul said:
Here's a question for you then, has there ever been a era when the NHS has been given resources to meet demand ?
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The NHS is amazing, but think it needs to reinvent itself - it is not just about the Tories - it's about life expectancy, long-term care, not being able to get a GP appointment, people being educated about not needing a medical professional when they have a virus, having a social care system that will allow beds to be freed up - don't see this as a political issue, but more of a societal one - we probably need to expect to pay more as citizens to make the NHS future proof.
 
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As someone who wants a Centre/Left Government is it wrong to hope for a UKIP win in Stoke as this could actually make Corbyn and his close supporters realise that standing down would be for the good of the country? If Labour cannot win in
Stoke surely even an ostrich buried in sand realise that with Corbyn in charge the only thing Momentum can aspire to is the moral high ground.
 
In theory it's not a bad concept (other than UKIP getting elected anywhere, yuck) but Labour live in their own little bubble at the moment, if they did lose in those circumstances then they wouldn't interpret it as their fault in any way at all. They'd pluck some vague spurious reason out of the air and carry on as if they're right and everyone else is wrong.

The problem now is that given the PLP is largely in revolt, the only people entrusted to Corbyn's inner circle are those intensely loyal to him...who will only tell him what he wants to hear...so it reinforces the bubble.
 
Visage said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...line-whip-on-labour-mps-to-trigger-article-50

What a $#@!ing idiot. Now 48% of the country is represented by about 10% of MPs.
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48% of the country didn't vote not to accept the result, if they lost. To vote against article 50, means you are against negotiations beginning, which I would hope most people who voted remain, would vote for also. To vote against it, is to vote against democracy. What is the point of having a democratic vote, if you don't accept the result?
48% voted to stay, not to not accept the democratic result!
10% is the number who don't accept the democratic result when they lose, not who voted remain.
 
It was never legally binding, no-one has to 'accept' anything.

If MPs don't think Brexit is the right cause of action and they represent a constituency which voted in favour of remaining then what's wrong with them voting against Article 50? They're standing up for their views and their constituents' views.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
It was never legally binding, no-one has to 'accept' anything.

If MPs don't think Brexit is the right cause of action and they represent a constituency which voted in favour of remaining then what's wrong with them voting against Article 50? They're standing up for their views and their constituents' views.
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So if we had voted to remain, would it be legally binding?
 
You wouldn't have to rule on anything as everything would remain the same.
 
No.

Also, in addition to it being advisory, arguments dont simply stop after a vote. The opposition, for example, arent obliged to vote with the government simply because the latter won an election.
 
Visage said:
No.

Also, in addition to it being advisory, arguments dont simply stop after a vote. The opposition, for example, arent obliged to vote with the government simply because the latter won an election.
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So why didn't you say that before the referendum?
 
Vis did you vote in the referendum? If you did, why did you vote, if it wasn't binding and you wouldn't accept the result if you lost?
 
Had the vote gone the other way would you have stopped arguing against the EU? Would anti-EU politicians stop working to come out? Of course not. So why do you think the reverse should be so?

Not expecting a cogent answer obviously.
 
SLA said:
Had the vote gone the other way would you have stopped arguing against the EU? Would anti-EU politicians stop working to come out? Of course not. So why do you think the reverse should be so?

Not expecting a cogent answer obviously.
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I said after the referendum polls had closed and the exit poll gave a victory to remain "congratulations and we'll done". I would have thought it absolutely diabolical and being like a spoilt kid, not to accept the result.
I fight hard, but always accept when I lose. My parents bought me up like that.
 
Not what was asked was it though

Do a simple Yes or No to the question he asked "Had the vote gone the other way would you have stopped arguing against the EU? "


(by saying No btw you are not saying you wouldn't have accepted the outcome, if that helps you decide)
 
thehistorymakers said:
I said after the referendum polls had closed and the exit poll gave a victory to remain "congratulations and we'll done". I would have thought it absolutely diabolical and being like a spoilt kid, not to accept the result.
I fight hard, but always accept when I lose. My parents bought me up like that.
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But it's not a game. Politics isn't about winning and losing its about arguing for the things you believe to be right. Just because a vote doesn't go your way you don't stop putting your arguments forward.

Still, all old ground and circular debates that go nowhere.
 
Kenny said:
Not what was asked was it though

Do a simple Yes or No to the question he asked "Had the vote gone the other way would you have stopped arguing against the EU? "

My post from the referendum night after the exit poll said we remain had won.


(by saying No btw you are not saying you wouldn't have accepted the outcome, if that helps you decide)
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Congratulations to the remain camp. Hard battle, broke my heart, but credit where it is due.
 
Jeez, you should be an MP! Great dodging skillz.

Not in anyway questioning that you would never accept the result whichever way it went.

In your next reply you can only use YES or NO...ok and then we can all move on with our lives again.

"Had the vote gone the other way would you have stopped arguing against the EU?"

Please note the above question from SLA does not ask if you accepted result.
 
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