January 2022 Transfer Thread

[Kenny]

I admit I know nothing about football financial dealings ( in fact about any kind of financial stuff) but is the 'option' tag a bit of a red herring, a bit more complicated than at first seems? Could it be there are caveats within the loan option that favour us?

last year we had an option to sign Jose...we didn't and had to pay a fee NOT to sign him. Which was essentially pay a fee now and have no option or pay nowt now and have the option and if you don't take it up, pay what the loan fee should be.

 

[Jabbawolf]

Do you think an option to buy is a good deal?

Can you tell me the details of the option? Any penalty clauses? Trigger clauses? Additional fees for option rather than mandatory basis? Other options on table? Potential loans/business this may facilitate? Impact on Semedo or Trincao deals?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Can you tell me the details of the option? Any penalty clauses? Trigger clauses? Additional fees for option rather than mandatory basis? Other options on table? Potential loans/business this may facilitate? Impact on Semedo or Trincao deals?

No, which is why I think people (including myself) are discussing what they might be, i haven't read a single person say they would get a better deal, they're just chewing the fat about those intricacies you speak of - not sure what is wrong with that?

 

[Del Woppio]

Can't talk about the transfer unless you're Jeff Shi or Alan Sugar then.

Are team selections OK to talk about?

We've weakened our options. If that's not put right in the next four days then everybody has a right to voice misgivings on the deal.

For all the talk about a 'gentleman's agreement on a swap'...why not just do it now, then? And do you think we're going to pay Trincao more than the £130k a week he's on at barca?

 

[sycophantia]

last year we had an option to sign Jose...we didn't and had to pay a fee NOT to sign him. Which was essentially pay a fee now and have no option or pay nowt now and have the option and if you don't take it up, pay what the loan fee should be.

Makes sense, also I've not seen anything about a loan fee, just they're paying his wages

 

[The Bear]

Chiquinho signing for us negates the weakening us argument, even if we don't know how he's going to do yet. The club will see it that way even if Bruno would rather have kept Traore.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Can't talk about the transfer unless you're Jeff Shi or Alan Sugar then.

Are team selections OK to talk about?

We've weakened our options. If that's not put right in the next four days then everybody has a right to voice misgivings on the deal.

For all the talk about a 'gentleman's agreement on a swap'...why not just do it now, then? And do you think we're going to pay Trincao more than the £130k a week he's on at barca?

Not now probably because Trincao's loan runs until the end of the season. I have heard that there is a significant penalty in the the Trincao deal that we have to pay Barcelona to NOT sign him. I would think we would be inserting a similar clause into the Traore deal.

Main thing the swap does for both teams is it inflates the FFP wiggle room when the deal is complete. Traore will have twelve months left so his eighteen million fee will have been almost completely amortised so virtually the entire 39 million Euros will be FFP profit.

 

[Del Woppio]

There is no way on earth that a swap deal will mean that Trincao doesn't have a amortisation book cost. They'd be a lot more popular if that was the case.

 

[AndyWolves]

Can't talk about the transfer unless you're Jeff Shi or Alan Sugar then.

Are team selections OK to talk about?

We've weakened our options. If that's not put right in the next four days then everybody has a right to voice misgivings on the deal.

For all the talk about a 'gentleman's agreement on a swap'...why not just do it now, then? And do you think we're going to pay Trincao more than the £130k a week he's on at barca?

I believe Barca can't make any kind of financial commitments given their current situation. I also believe barca are getting some more sponsorship money in the summer.

This isn't me saying how Barca should manage their finances, just voicing rumours I've read

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

There is no way on earth that a swap deal will mean that Trincao doesn't have a amortisation book cost. They'd be a lot more popular if that was the case.

That's not what I meant. It's all on the Traore deal for us in terms of FFP. Sign Trincao on a four or five year deal for the £25m and his book cost for the year is either £5m or £6.25m. Take that off the entire £29m we "get in" and for FFP the deal increases the wiggle room by a minimum of £22.75m. EDIT: you then need to take off the unamortised portion of Traore's contract - £3.6m.

The same would happen on the Barcelona side of the deal with how they book the Trincao deal.

It's exactly the same as the Arthur / Pjanic swap they did with Juventus.

 

[AndyWolves]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1486747185521860617

 

[Carsy]

Will be sad to see Adama go personally. For me, although not a guaranteed starter he does weaken the current squad. Extremely divisive as evidenced in the forum, however never seemed to be a ‘bad egg’ and he goes with me best wishes. Part of me hope he doesn’t develop any end product as it will feel ‘what could’ve been’.

In the face of it seems a strange move with no obligation to buy. A lot of variables could mean we are stuck - long term injury etc. can only think something has not been disclosed, or it’s going to be used as a swap deal for trincao end of season.

Imagine we must be getting a loan fee? Has it been reported anywhere?

 

[Tony Towner]

Bollocks
Edit aimed at the pay cut quote.

 

[Lycan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1486763316265562119

 

[Carsy]

The more I think about it I don’t get the deal from Barca’s point of view. Bizarre

 

[MobNet Wolf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1486730227644391435

Flip side to no obligation...if he does that well, stick another £10-20m on top of the price if others come to the table

That’s not how an option works. An option means you can exercise the deal at the agreed option price, you just don’t have to. It doesn’t mean the selling club can change the price.

 

[The Bear]

After seeing that last tweet it seems to me that they need to get Trincao's wages off the books and replace him with someone on a cheaper whack. Enter Traore and us offering them a swap deal for Trincao. Barca probably don't think he's worth £25m but have to cut the wage bill. So we agree to spin it as an option even though everyone involved knows it's pretty much a done deal in both directions.

We get a player who fits Bruno's style better and we also maintain good relations with Barca for future deals.

 

[Lycan]

The more I think about it I don’t get the deal from Barca’s point of view. Bizarre

They can't register players unless they sell one first because of their financial situation. In this deal they're paying Adama a nominal fee every week, we're picking up the rest of his wages and then his wages for the duration of the loan get deducted from Trincão's fee at the end of the season.

They basically get a player for free for half a season and maybe they got 'assurance' that we'd make Trincão permanent (they have to have been worrying about that considering how bad he's been) which gives them the same wiggle room within FFP that Paddy was referring to earlier.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The more I think about it I don’t get the deal from Barca’s point of view. Bizarre

Trincao is on a bigger wage than Adama.

However, he has 2.5 years left on his deal at Barcelona when the swap occurs. They paid 31 million Euros for him. So lets call that £26m. So £13m still to be amortised. But the £25m all "comes in" accounts wise. Then you take off say £6m for the book cost of the first year of Traore's contract. They are still up in FFP terms by £6m. Basically, giving both players long term permanent deals (4 or 5 years minimum) makes the FFP wiggle bigger, but there will be amortisation costs in later seasons for the accountants to crunch.

 

[Paul]

Bollocks
Edit aimed at the pay cut quote.

I'm reading that quote as he's accepted a lower wage than he was asking for at Wolves